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    There has been an upsurge in computer crimes in Jamaica. Should the state punish criminals for as much as five years for Hacking? After all hackers are skilled programmers who have the freedom of expression. It is only unfortunate that you website or system are accidentally attacked. This is arising form a discussion with my students at UTech. Have your say? What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Should the state punish criminals for as much as five years for Hacking? After all hackers are skilled programmers who have the freedom of expression. It is only unfortunate that you website or system are accidentally attacked.
    Let me put it this way:

    Should the state punish criminals for as much as five years for breaking and entering (unauthorized access), robbery (theft), malicious destruction of property (denial of service), fraud (integrity violations), or any other violation of the law? After all, criminals are skilled law breakers who have the freedom of expression. It is only unfortunate that you, your family, or your business "accidentally" was attacked.



    Having a skill is not license to violate other peoples rights with that skill. Being a "good programmer" is no excuse to attack other people's systems with malicious code. Nobody has any "freedom of expression" to the point where they are free to infringe on the rights of others. Yes it is unfortunate that people's websites/systems or data get attacked, but rarely is that "accidental". Even if it was "accidental", it still isn't justified, and the issue of negligence may come in to play.

    If I am walking past your house, and I see your front door open, is it ok for me to walk inside your home without invitation? Is it ok for me to then take your phone, TV, stereo, DVD player, PC, game system or jewelry from your home? Is it ok for me to then damage your furniture? Is ok for me to then use your homephone and make long distance calls and run up a huge bill for you? Is it ok for me to do all of this just because your front door was open, and I had the skill and the opportunity to walk through the door and do as I pleased?

    You know the answer is no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCryptoKnight View Post
    Let me put it this way:

    Should the state punish criminals for as much as five years for breaking and entering (unauthorized access), robbery (theft), malicious destruction of property (denial of service), fraud (integrity violations), or any other violation of the law? After all, criminals are skilled law breakers who have the freedom of expression. It is only unfortunate that you, your family, or your business "accidentally" was attacked.

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    Hells yes Lock them up with hard labour and Lashing with a heavy duty PC security cable Malicious violation of another man's personal space is just the same as rape in my book and equal or worse punishment should be dealt ... just saying
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    Leaving your computer unsecured is not an excure for some hacker to breake in and steal your info I agree, but is it ok to jail someone just because they tried the handle on a door and found it to be unlocked?

    What about jailing the people who put (unsecured) computers into the hands of idiots?
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    I agree with BlackCryptoKnight. Not because some is unsecure gives anyone the right to break in n hack away as the want. Its just wrong as any other crime.
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    I agree with you all. But i am advocating that security must be everyone's responsibility we can rely on criminals to act in good faith. We must take our security serious. Punishment i agree with but must be realistic but at the same time send fear in the mind of computer criminals.

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    One can debate this all they want but its just as old as time and as basic as instict others will always try to take things that they have not earned due to them being lazy or if they think they can get away with it, intelligence does not determine morality because some of the greatest criminals or some of the greatest minds unfortunately it will always be ones duty to protect whatever and whoever they care for, in charge of or belongs to them and any one who thinks other wise are deluding themselfs

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Hells yes Lock them up with hard labour and Lashing with a heavy duty PC security cable Malicious violation of another man's personal space is just the same as rape in my book and equal or worse punishment should be dealt ... just saying
    Well Max I'm not sure about you but I would choose my computer being hacked or being robbed over being raped any day of the year but seriously rape is a bit drastic I think rape is second only to torture and maybe thats just because I'm a guy depending on the individual it may be ever higher on their list the physical and especially phychological effects of rape thats tremendous, lend me that book of yours let me skip through it

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I agree with you all. But i am advocating that security must be everyone's responsibility we can rely on criminals to act in good faith. We must take our security serious. Punishment i agree with but must be realistic but at the same time send fear in the mind of computer criminals.
    Well if you mean that we need to be realistic in the sense that on an average if not the majority people don't respect or look out for each other and the higher they climb is the more they look down on others and beliefe that they have the right to do what they are doing since they are superior well then yes from that point of view security should be everyone concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I agree with you all. But i am advocating that security must be everyone's responsibility we can rely on criminals to act in good faith. We must take our security serious. Punishment i agree with but must be realistic but at the same time send fear in the mind of computer criminals.
    At the same time you have to consider the people who using computers these days, I personally know people who still falling for "your dead uncle from Africa left 20mil for you", People need to be educated on the seriousness of computer security before you can say "shame on you"
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    Only 5 years......If park you car in your yard and leave the keys inside do I still have the right to come and drive it out? Yes, I used to Hack in the days or Prodigy ISP (sorry too old for the younger ones) But that was before I knew the damage that could be derived from hacking, or even knew that I was hacking, I thought there were loop holes to be exploited and I did, should I have been punished, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." I've always said not to compare one crime with another but look at the damaged caused by the crime and punish accordingly.

    My views are simple, someone hacks into a personal account/pc with the intention of removing/mis-using/altering personal information for whatever reason 1 - 5 years, Judges prerogative. Someone hacks into a corporate account for similar reason 5 - 10 years. And if someone uses the information gained through a hack to commit further crimes (robbery/murder/ kidnap etc) the increase the punishment to suit the offense.

    And finally an accidental attack is me walking into your yard not knowing you have a pitbull, not me finding a open path to YOUR information and going inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoyoteGambit View Post
    "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."
    I think the age-old message that Cryptic is trying to promote here:
    "Prevention is better than cure".

    We need to study our own personal loop-holes, and find ways of preventing others from exploiting them. We need to review the more fundamental algorithms used in coding our programs. We need to study and further improve our cryptography systems to ensure the integrity of sensitive information and communication.
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