yup.. knowing the fundamentals always helps!Originally Posted by leoandru
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but you do admit it will help them.Originally Posted by leoandru
yup.. knowing the fundamentals always helps!Originally Posted by leoandru
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but you do admit it will help them.Originally Posted by leoandru
but if said mechanic stuck it out, he'd be able to pretty much work on anything after its done.
or another example, learning java first is like driving an automatic car without knowing how gears and the engine work together
whereas if you can drive a standard car, you can drive anything.
i think i agree with the professors, in fact Java is what turned me off programming
or maybe it was the lecturer
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I too was turned off from java when I tried it a while back, but I have come to the understanding that most if not all post C programming languages are based on C in some way or form... Understanding the fundamentals of C made it easier for me to learn other languages. If they had thought C first they wouldn’t be ranting right now... so they need to re-evaluate the organization of the various programming languages in their course(s).
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the professors are right. the tool dependancy is java's down fall. There is this expression called "eating your own dog food". Programming is not about creating objects - its about solving problems.
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I know you added your disclaimer stating that its your opinion...but surely...you can see whats wrong with the with this. C,C++ at its bare minimum teaches you the importance of logic and principles involved in programming, now i would say yes most people are turned off by the lack of UI but this is secondary to a true programmers concern...a pretty interface or IDE means nothing if the objective of the underlying code is worthless...
I honestly believe once you learn/appreciate C,C++ then you can program in any language irrespective of environment.
If lack of pretty UI development controls or IDE turns you off from programming, then i believe you were never meant to be a programmer...but instead fell in love with the idea.
Always best to learn C first before other languages. All the rest are easy to catch when you now C.
Programming is all about problem solving, regardless of the environment.
The fox was probably right - they could have been sour grapes.
I dont agree 100% with the article/professor, however I do understand their frustration. I think when people are learning to program too much emphasis is placed on the language. More emphasis should be placed on the things that makes a good programmer, things like problem analysis, data structures, algorithm concepts, design patterns, object oriented design... etc. The language you learn is not important. If you are a good programmer, then transitioning from one language to another should not take more that a few months, the hardest part of learning a language is learning the libraries, not its syntax.
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