Vista Is the Ultimate Garbage

[SgtMac2]

mr kila,

first of all. when you are ordering a laptop and want a deal, you dont go to the manufacturers website. you go to newegg or some other place. either that or you go to a local retailer because you want the product now and you are either ignorant of options or short on time. now.. i bought a TOSHIBA product. would we not class that company as one of the big boys? now, even if they do still offer xp installs.. why when i go to their support website do i see no other operating system supported but vista? i did the same search for my clients HP notebook with the same result.
if i cannot go to a companys SUPPORT site and get SUPPORT for any other OS but VISTA... how is that not forcing me to stay with that os? how many ppl are gonna have the time and knowledge to go trawling the internet piecing together drivers to make their computer work? we are not a world of techies out there.

you admit that vista cant WORK for you. pure and simple. now, the definition of a computer in my mind is a device that lets you WORK smarter, not harder. Vista is not that... not even close. Vista comes closer to my definition of BETA. if it blows up in your face, ooops... yu salt.

forcing you?? which manufacture that? just dont deal with that manufacture then cause to my knowledge the big boys like DELL, IBM, HP still offer winxp installs. And even the computers that come with vista all have winxp drivers, it would be foolish on the manufactures part to discontinue drivers for windows xp. even today i still see hardware shipped with win98 drivers adn instructions.

i am sorry, you need to work within the reality that we are facing here. the manufacturers in question are many.. the only one i know that provides off the bat XP support without a question is DELL. i dont like DELL, but i find myself recommending DELL to my customers simply because they provide that one service easily. you say it would be foolish for them to discontinue the drivers. my yute, if you ever know the work and war that went into making my machine XP instead of VISTA you would understand. and what does it say that i would find it easier to go thru the war and work and frustration rather than reload the vista partition that is still on my notebook's harddrive? yes, i left myself an out, but would rather format twice than use it. i would rather war than try to work with vista.. why?
caw VISTA doesnt deliver.

another sad story, one of my friends bought himself a new phone, the HTC Touch. a very nice phone. he switched to windows vista ultimate on his pc and decided to upgrade his phones firmware online. in the middle of that operation, when the instructions WARNED him that discontinuing in the middle of upgrading firmware could render the phone unuseable... VISTA gave him a blue screen. a $600us phone. blue screen. in the middle of a vital operation.
not saying that XP doesnt blue screen... but i havent seen one on my installs in a LONG LONG time. neither had he until he switched to VISTA.. Vista Ultimate mind you.

as far as getting a legal copy...
so am i to assume that brand spanking New HP, Acer, Compaq and Toshiba (the laptops i have seen under Vista myself) are all running pirate copies of Vista? microsoft tech support is rude, but then i guess if you cant change anything from where you are, a sense of humour is the next best thing.

steep learning curve? boss... the ting dont work. thats like saying there is a steep learning curve to use a spoon to cut your lawn... if it is not the right tool for the job, what learning curve have to do with it? if the ting just doesnt deliver.. then i guess what i have learned is to stick to an OS that does what i want until they fix this new one. what steep learning curve? so they switch a few things around.. annoying maybe, but not deal breaking. i cant connect when i am on the road for no good reason but it's a pretty OS? sorry, deal breaker.

i would say, selling ppl a beta copy of windows is criminal. i would further say, that having a set of windows vista updates greater than 1gb is proof of how flawed and incomplete this thing really is. and then i would say that if i did have a choice ( and i do, DELL) then i readily and eagerly send my customers to XP and the laptop that does the WORK they need to do in the easiest circumstances. i will continue flogging DELL products and XP until i see a notable ease of use in VISTA. until then, well bwoy, i dont know how you can defend them when you admit they dont WORK for you... but we shall see what may come. as i said, i am sure VISTA will be convenient one day, but today aint the day.

i could get into other stuff re XP being harder to get a hold of and consistent talk of dropping xp support coming from the makers of vista... but i dont want to stray off topic. later ppl

[Anaarki]

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What he said!

[kilaj1]

i had to check my post again for most of the stuff u comment on i didnt even say. Now you saying that you dont want to go through the heap of knowledge base to find drivers thats fine as you said not everyone is a techie although i would you would be some what if your unstalling windows... I see toshiba has many diffrent models some even just relase that still support xp.

Maybe what i really should have said was that it would be foolish for manufactures to phase out windows XP driver RIGHT NOW...and to quote you "you need to work within the reality that we are facing here" every OS will eventually be obsoliete...Windows 3.11, Windows 98, 95...manufactures go with the OS flow, so EVENTUALLY the will flat out not support Windows XP.

Just like you made a choice to buy it on newegg you could have just as easily bought it else where or diffrent brand or model or similar specs.

YEs Vista does not work for me, as did Windows XP when it was just relased. Thats why i said in Vista's current state I would not use it...could be vista's driver support issues..or could be just a bug i dont know.

As for your friends blue screen... cant say much about that except hush... errors happen in every OS from time to time, might be more in windows but hey...

As for the legal copy issue...dont know why you would assume that i never said anything about brand name PC having pirated installs, was addressing duster and his call to MS. I for one know exactly how manufactures install there OS (not how a normal end user would do it)

1GB vista update...if you read any press release about that you would see that the reason its so big is due to alot of the complains people have about it, not as much as in security with windows xp's updates but UI ect. Have you ever tallied the amount of space the updates on a WinXP system takes? if your lucky you have a windows XP CD with SP2.

As for the learning curve...if you dont want to take the time to learn somthing new...ehh ...what can you do

all im sayin is, Im not defending Vista (not its current state) im just saying that most of the cusin going on now is just a repeat of what happen when winxp released.

[bernie]

The major point is that M$ is either incompetent (which I doubt) or, like any other monopoly, just don't give a ratz azz....

[kilaj1]

The major point is that M$ is either incompetent (which I doubt) or, like any other monopoly, just don't give a ratz azz....

ehh could be...either way old bill will have a smile on his face in the after life

[NOKIA 3650]

So what are we supposed to do?

I'm not seeing the constructive criticism as yet. Have you tried sending an official e-mail to (whoever) listing all the problems with the OS, and suggestions on how to fix them?

laptop manufacturers are forcing people to upgrade, they're doing so by not giving a choice for xp on new laptops

People have all the right to criticize an operating system that they paid their hard earned cash for.

You paid a subsidized cost for having the OS pre-installed on the machine (under the new OEM policy).

A previous poster said that there is a steep learning curve for vista

I meant to simply say that it isn't for everybody, so choose carefully.

another sad story, one of my friends bought himself a new phone, the HTC Touch. a very nice phone. he switched to windows vista ultimate on his pc and decided to upgrade his phones firmware online. in the middle of that operation, when the instructions WARNED him that discontinuing in the middle of upgrading firmware could render the phone unuseable... VISTA gave him a blue screen. a $600us phone. blue screen. in the middle of a vital operation.

I feel your friend's pain, because something similar happened to me too. It was my fault though, because I knew my software that I was using to flash my PDA wasn't vista compatible. For this reason, I've been suggesting that everyone dual-boots

Kila 1, has basically answered everything else for me, so I won't add anything else here.

[zandex]

I cant believe microsoft actually release this kind of software in this day and age. I mean that thing is worse than Windows ME. i loaded the OS and in 4 hours it rendered my PC Useless. I loaded Vista Ultimate . my pc is a recent model so i know its not a specs issue ; half of my hardware wasnt even recogized.They must have gotten some high school kids to code it. MAC OS here i come!!!!

Did you read the hardware requirement for installing Windows Vista. I have Windows Vista installed for over 1yr and 7 months.

If you have a lot of 3rd applications and hardware in the box, you might want to take a visit over to those vendors. If you are still having major problems, you can contact me directly and let me open a case for you to resolve your issues.

[NOKIA 3650]

Zandex, I was just about to comment on this as well

[zandex]

I called microsoft and told them about all the problems we are having they said to "get a legal copy and our problems will go away"

I dont understand this remarks...Did you speak with Microsoft PSS or another Customer Support in the US?

Are you using a legal copy of the product? If you purchased Windows Vista and currently experiencing problems, then you can contact me to open a call with Product Support.

[MhadbwoY]

Are you using a legal copy of the product? .

I bet u him cannot answer this question....