The True Nature of God

[BlackCryptoKnight]

God could have created us as mindless automatons yet He made us with free will to chose and decide on things for ourselves. When we sin, we chose to break God's law. Hence to say that evil didn't exist until God willed it into existence would not make sense, since evil is chosing not to follow God's law. That's a choice the individual makes. The first individual to make that choice was Lucifer.

This whole controversy about sin and Satan's whole crusade is about discrediting God. He want's to paint the picture that God is a hypocrite, unfair, and cruel. Satan want's all to believe that God sets these laws that are impossible to keep, and that He sets us up to fail. Satan wants all to believe that God is a bully who exerts His will on others and forces them to obey. The devil is putting God on trial. God intends to show all that the devils claims are all false. God want's us to worship Him out of love, not by force. Hence He gave us free will to chose Him.

This is why Jesus came to earth as a human being just like us to go through life like us and face all the same temptations like us. Through that experience Jesus proved to mankind that it was possible life of obedience to God's law. Jesus purpose on earth was also to expose us to the true nature of God.

Jesus showed us God's nature through His sacrifice, and His acts of love and spreading of the Gospel.

God is love. God has always been about love. God's laws were created out of love as a prescription for how to live a life that ensures happiness through freedom from sin. The basic principle of God's law is love.

Matthew 22

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

1 John 4 KJV

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

God's nature of Love is shown clearly in His plan of salvation for the human race. He loves us so much that He does not want any of us to perish. That is why He must eliminate sin and it's attachments, and that is why He sent Jesus to die for us.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[deakie]

pay close attention to me BCK.....

Ezekiel 28 KJV
this is to the king of tyre. more so for the the great ruling city. once he finished with tyre, he went onto zidon.
note the mention of its sales goods. the fine example of the modern capitalism we have today.
its not the devil satan.

he did this with jerusalem, babylon and other cities too. he refered o them in the personal context.

Isaiah 14 KJV
ahh yes, the discipling of the king of babylon eh. then he goes on to the king of assyria and also the philistines. all israels enemies.

God's nature of Love is shown clearly in His plan of salvation for the human race. He loves us so much that He does not want any of us to perish. That is why He must eliminate sin and it's attachments, and that is why He sent Jesus to die for us

i agree thats the wording of the bible in that thats the core message......and let me highlight your own words for this is the true ministry...

He loves us so much that He does not want any of us to perish

for that reason alone he declared undeserving kindess. for the price of life is free....no cost......whatsoever.......its men who place prices and rules and other kind of bonds on it. in order to rule over them......
do this or else.......

remember, the burden is light and not heavy....heaping law on man again is a heavy burden........no one would pass the test.....again......

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Some people also believe that so long as they serve Him, God will never allow anything bad to happen to them. They think that is God's nature.

But consider this:

Look at Job. Enough said.

God never promised that because He loves us and we love Him, that nothing bad would ever happen to us. In fact, He tells us that there will be terrible times ahead for those who serve Him when those who serve the devil seek to persecute God's people.

What God does promise us is that through all our trials, He will be there with us to guide and strengthen us. Also, our reward for being true to Him despite the trials and persecution, will be greater than we can ever imagine.

Matthew 5 KJV

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Matthew 19 KJV

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

He tells us that trials strenghthen us.

James 1 KJV

2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

God allowed Job to go through his trial to prove to the devil and to all that God's true servants worship Him out of love and this endures not only through the good times but also when times are bad. A true servant of God recognizes that things of this earth mean nothing when compared to eternity with God, and so nothing on this earth must come between them and God. (Read the book of Job).

[Xenocrates]

BCK

Ok let's follow your line. We will use the method of contradiction to prove or disprove this case. Fair enough? Answer the following questions with a simple 'Yes' or 'No'.

1. Do you believe that God is all-knowing?

2. If your answer to 1. is 'Yes', then do you believe that God created Lucifer without any clue that he could possibly become the Devil?

3. If the answer to 2. is 'Yes', wouldn't that contradict your answer to 1.?

4. If the answer to 2. is 'no', then that's the same thing as saying that God doesn't know everything that goes on in the universe he created, right?

5. If the answer to 4. is 'no', then you've just contradicted yourself, because not even God can be omniscient and not omniscient at the same time, which would mean that God doesn't exist, and Nigel is right. Right?

If your answer to 5. is no, then you've just proven my point. If God is all-knowing, then he must have been fully aware of evil when it first materialised before it materialised, for that's what it means to be all-knowing. You don't need your Bible to prove that. It's simple logic.

[deakie]

LOL....i'v never seen it quite put like that before.......

[BlackCryptoKnight]

BCK

Ok let's follow your line. We will use the method of contradiction to prove or disprove this case. Fair enough? Answer the following questions with a simple 'Yes' or 'No'.

1. Do you believe that God is all-knowing?

Yes

2. If your answer to 1. is 'Yes', then do you believe that God created Lucifer without any clue that he could possibly become the Devil?

No

3. If the answer to 2. is 'Yes', wouldn't that contradict your answer to 1.?

Yes

4. If the answer to 2. is 'no', then that's the same thing as saying that God doesn't know everything that goes on in the universe he created, right?

No

5. If the answer to 4. is 'no', then you've just contradicted yourself, because not even God can be omniscient and not omniscient at the same time, which would mean that God doesn't exist, and Nigel is right. Right?

No

If your answer to 5. is no, then you've just proven my point. If God is all-knowing, then he must have been fully aware of evil when it first materialised before it materialised, for that's what it means to be all-knowing. You don't need your Bible to prove that. It's simple logic.

X... the fact that He created beings with freedom to chose Him or not shows that He was aware of the potential for sin - which is the choice to go against God. This does not mean God created sin.

[rodalembs]

X... the fact that He created beings with freedom to chose Him or not shows that He was aware of the potential for sin - which is the choice to go against God. This does not mean God created sin.

Ok...let me get in at this point....this is a very good point BCK.....and this goes back to the Garden of Eden...

And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

We all have the freedom of CHOICE and GOD laid it out clearly as to the consequence of our choice.
If GOD didn’t create sin, whati s then the source of sin?

God created freewill; the ability to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to GOD. This condition existed when God created Lucifer who was without sin yet, apparently, had free will. Lucifer chose to rebel against God and sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by GOD without sin, listened to the devil and chose to sin against GOD (Gen. 3).

But God did not cause them to sin (James 1:13). In the freedom of their wills, each decided to rebel against God and sin entered the world (Rom. 5:12). God simply allowed the condition to exist where sin was possible.

Any parent can create the condition that makes disobedience possible yet the parent remains innocent if the child sins. For example, if a parent tells his child to clean up his room and the child does not, he has rebelled. But, the parent is not responsible for the child’s sin, nor did he cause the child to sin. The child had a choice to obey or not to obey.

Likewise, God has created the condition in the world where the ability to rebel against Him was possible. Yet, he is not responsible for that rebellion once it has been committed. Therefore, sin originated with Lucifer who was the first to rebel and entered the world through Adam who likewise chose disobedience.

[Xenocrates]

Ok, fine. So lemme ask you this question (notice how I'm keeping this simple):

If God knew that Lucifer was going to sin (He's all-knowing right?) why did He bother creating him in the first place?

Aaaah!

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Ok, fine. So lemme ask you this question (notice how I'm keeping this simple):

If God knew that Lucifer was going to sin (He's all-knowing right?) why did He bother creating him in the first place?

Aaaah!

Let me try and keep it simple too...

God created Lucifer for the same reason He created man even though He knew many would turn away from Him. He created everything out of Love because He wanted all to experience His gift of Life. He gave all sentient beings the choice to follow Him and live, or not follow Him, and die. He gave all the choice because He is not a tyrant - He is fair and just.

Remember, Lucifer was created perfect and occupied high status in Heaven.
(Ezekiel 28:13-14)

He was given the freedom to chose God or reject Him. (Ezekiel 28:15-17)

Bear in mind Jeremiah 29:11 NIV

11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD , "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

It is God's intent that all should prosper and be at peace. ALL. That means when Lucifer was created, it was God's intent that Lucifer prosper with God and the rest of creation and live in peace and happiness forever.

Lucifer just didn't see that as the way he wanted to go, so he rebelled. His choice, and a mighty dumb one it was too

[ramesh]

Ok, fine. So lemme ask you this question (notice how I'm keeping this simple):

If God knew that Lucifer was going to sin (He's all-knowing right?) why did He bother creating him in the first place?

Aaaah!

Some postulations can be made here, then:

1. God is all-knowing. Therefore He knew that Lucifer would sin. He knew that people would sin. He knew that, despite His warnings, Adam and Eve would eat the fruit from the forbidden tree and that His Son would be sacrificed and it was either not in His power to change or that was His Plan all along.

2. God is NOT all-knowing and all of what happened to now and perhaps in the future is not fully known to Him and He only intervenes when He feels it is necessary to further His plan.

3. God is only an observer, not a participant.