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    Default Re:Anti-Matter :: Evidence men have NO idea what they're doing!

    Therefore

    That one source simultaneously:

    1. Possesses all the knowledge of everything that is, could, and will be (Omniscience)

    2. Possesses all the force of motion, potentiality & causality that exists, could exist, and will exist (Omnipotent)

    3. Transcends time and space itself, which are of themselves infinite, but fundamental parts of the universe (Omnipresent)

    But since science cannot discern:

    Omniscience - Because it cannot prove the existence of an all powerful source of all things. Such a thing embodies a level of perfection and precision that science cannot measure, simply because it embodies the knowledge of things that do not yet exist...

    Omnipotence - Because potentiality and actuality are in perpetual motion, a recursive equation that has no base case, like PI, and thereby, no limit. Science needs limits to function.

    Omnipresence - Because science cannot measure something that is, and isn't at the same time. According to science, a block of wood either exists, or it doesn't. Because the one source that embodies all things that are, including infinity (Which IS something, but is undefined, therefore, also ISN'T something at the same time), science cannot account for it, because, again, it has no definable limits.

    So you are right Godkid. Science is based entirely on flawed equautions. In fact, there are some equations in mathematics (like the one CKnight posted earlier) which are correct, but also incorrect, because it cannot be applied to the real world. It CAN be applied to mathematics though. Mathematics embodies a higher level of flexibility than does science. Yet, Mathematics is flawed, because it cannot truly define the universe. It is the basis on which Science was built. Therefore, Science is ALSO flawed....

    ...but for the time being, since we cannot wrap our heads around something that abstract...

    Ignorance is bliss! ;D

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    Default Re:Anti-Matter :: Evidence men have NO idea what they're doing!

    could we keep this on.... xeno what u think about what matronyx said?

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    actually Willy... that would be venturing into a "non-tech" discussion.. pretty much like what was instigated with the "laptop in churches" discussion ... i dunno... but I wouldn't encourage another one

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    [quote author=matronyx link=board=1;threadid=2006;start=15#msg20010 date=1065731186]
    Yet, God chooses to know.
    Many still cannot allow themselves to grasp this concept. Many times they will say "God a god, him know EVERYTHING... how yuh fi seh dat??!! Yuh mad!!!?"
    Is it so hard to understand that He chooses to know?
    Take for example the instance in the garden of Eden. If God knew that Adam and Eve would commit a sin, would it not be hypocritical to have offered them everlasting life in the first place knowing well that they would not attain it?
    Why would he feel hurt by their/our actions?
    Another question that can arise from that issue: Why create humans in the first place since he knew they would sin against him? Is it his intention that we become sinners?

    Sure, he knew of the possibilty of the first humans choosing to rebel, afterall, he created us as free souls able to make decisions. It wouldn't be incorrect to say that he did not know that satan would rebel against him. Could he have known? Ahhh... now there is another question and the answer would be yes.
    [/quote]

    Eventually it usually boils down to a discussion where people try to define WHAT GOD IS and why he does what he does. which cannot be possible since our minds aren't capable of coming to an understanding of something that is not within our control or cannot be accepted or denied by that which exist within the expirement. ...... dot

    Mathematics in it self isn't rock solid. I've always wondered why it is the way it is. It's mostly like accounts which seems to bebased on a set of rules created to make it work in a way which prevents if from becoming unstable. These instabilies are harder to create because of how people learn mathematics. Any mathematics as in science isn't perfect and must never become so.

    that is if you get what I'm saying.

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    yeap, light speed is slow. sadly slow . Though is the ship in star trek moving faster than light or is it using a wormhole (because the stretching effect is usually associated with wormholes). I never really wondered what was happening in Star Trek. What is it doing Xeno?

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    [quote author=matronyx link=board=1;threadid=2006;start=15#msg20094 date=1065816588]
    and the bible has been a wonderful aid in allowing us to come to know God.
    We can actually develop a relationship with him. We know how he feels towards bad things and how he rejoices when we follows his word.
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    - You're right. You're absolutely right. (100 points for Matronyx! ;D)

    Again, as I have said before, the Bible is merely MAN'S interpretation of God's inspiration. The Bible is NOT the total embodiment of Who and WHAT God is. Therefore, everything in the Bible which makes reference to God, is merely man's INTERPRETATION of his interaction with God. Naturally, these intepretations will give God human-like characteristics. This is done DELIBERATELY so that we as mere mortals can understand who God is, but not WHAT God is. It does not help us to understand WHAT God is in the purest sense, without intense meditation on the matter.

    HOWEVER,

    At this point, WHAT is irrelevant (Except for the sake of this discussion ;D). We should all just concentrate on serving and loving Him for what he represents to us.

    We could go on and on with this debate on ad infinitum and not make any more sense of God than the simple tools we were given: Our minds, and The Bible. We should just concentrate on living for Him and serving him. Mortal minds were never made to understand God. It's a heck of a lot easier to just serve him and enjoy this life that He has given us.

    Don't you all think so? ;D

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    [quote author=owen link=board=1;threadid=2006;start=15#msg20083 date=1065808412]
    Though is the ship in star trek moving faster than light or is it using a wormhole (because the stretching effect is usually associated with wormholes). I never really wondered what was happening in Star Trek. What is it doing Xeno?
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    *Xê·nó·crä·tês switches on GEEK mode* ;D

    - Owen, in Star Trek, the ship uses a matter/anti-matter fusion chamber built using dilithium crystals, which are a synthetic form of carbon that is so dense, that it can slow down the reaction of a thermonuclear explosion that occurs between anti-matter and radio-active particles. This allows the computer to harness the massive amount of energy released to power the ship to travel at post-stellar (faster-than-light) velocities.

    Theoretically, the burst of power causes the ship to literally lunge forward, hence the stretching effect. Ships in Star Trek travel at faster than light speed. However, later Star Trek episodes are moving away from the WARP speed travel theory and are relying more on Wormhole usage (which is more scientifically correct that faster-than-light travel). This is most evident in the Voyager and Deep Space Nine episodes where wormholes are used incessantly for travelling across massive expanses of space.

    *Xê·nó·crä·tês switches off GEEK mode*

    Dilithium crystals are science fiction. They do not exist, nor can they exist. For a dilithium crystal to be real, that means packing the atomic lattice in the element carbon (which is the most dense element in the periodic table) with more atoms per molecular cube than could actually fit in real life. The idea behind this is that when an explosion occurs, the densely packed covalent lattice will significantly slow down the reaction, making it less violent.

    To see where this idea came from let us examine REAL carbonite structures.

    This is the same reason why light is refracted when it passes through diamonds. Diamonds (as you all should be already aware) are a form of carbon - That's why Diamons are so HARD, and long lasting. Additionally, that's why diamonds are used to slow down and focus light to make Hydraulic laser beams, which are used to cut precious stones, and a host of other industrial precision cutting applications.

    A dilithium crystal cannot exist, unless scientists find a way to reduce the interconnectivity length between atoms in a covalent bond. Since Scientists don't know HOW to create atoms, this is impossible...

    Furthermore, objects cannot travel at LIGHT speed. This is impossible. Willy posted a link for us that adequately explained why this is so. Therefore, everytime that ship lunges forward and stretches like that, it should rightfully explode, killing all 2,600 members of personnel aboard.... ;D LOL

    Hence Star Trek is a load of Bullsh.... um I mean, nonsense. ;D

    ....But it's still fun to watch. ;D

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    ok, lets correct the errors first then move on to the thing posed originally. why the experiment in the cern lab.

    neutrons have no charge. they are bonded together in the atom by the 'strong force'.

    anti matter is just the matter which is equivalent to regular matter but with an opposite charge. they have been around for a long time. when they meet regular matter, they annihilate each other and become electromagnetic photons of varying energies. if a positron (positive electron) meets an electron (negative and normal) they destroty each other and give out 2 photons of 511KeV energy. energy is measured in units of eV's.
    1 eV is equivalent to the energy used to pull an electron in a field of 1 volt.

    i measure these energies at work everyday with my radiation instruments. i have loads of radioactive elements in my lab for use in research and medicine. beta's are fast electrons or electrons under velocity.

    yes, when mass is moving, it gains energy, this energy can be seen as additional mass from the e=mc2 equation. if you were in space, and no gravity is present then the mass is irrelevant and so you can propel the mass with minimal effort.

    gravity is not a magnetic force, or rather, not proven to be one at this time. this is why there is a search for a grand unifying theory to link all 4 forces of nature. gravity, electromagnetic (electric & magnetic), strong and weak. this quest is hard becuase of a problem with charge parity. look it up if you are interested.....

    (a dilithium cystal is just that. its 2 lithium atoms in a bonded arrangement in a lattice. lithium is the 3rd element in the periodic table. it has a charge of -1 and bonding them is almost impossible except under immense pressure to overcome the charge rejection force. another example of a bonded element is free o2 or oxygen that you breathe, ozone is oxygen in triple bond)

    now, back to the question......the reason why they are creating antimatter for study....but first...what they are doing.....
    cern is a special lab and there are others around the world like it. basically think of a huge tunnel underground that stretches for miles, in cerns case prolly 25, cant remember for sure. along the path they have magnetic fields and electric fields which are converting towards the centre of the path constantly. they use the oposite charge, eg. positive charge to accelerate a negative elctron and confine the particle to the middle of the path using the mag field. by doing this they speed the particle up along the tunnel until it reaches the desired velocity. this is determined by the length of the path and the voltage used for pulling it. they can calculate accurately the speed that the particle will have over time. they then calculate what the particles energy will be at any given instance. e= mv2 or mass x velocity squared. c is light velocity. now using this energy, they slam it into a target and read the energies given off. this gives them a result using the precept that energy cannot be created or destroyed. yu put in an if you get more out, then that must be from the bang. this allows them to calculate many things.
    next post!

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    so here you have them creating some anti protons, which can occur regularly in nature from radioactive decay, i have them at work too. we keep the parent nuclides in lead, normally created by labs and they typically have very short halflifes for use in treating cancer.
    anyay, so they put these protons as the targets and zoom along some positrons(anti-electrons) down the path very slowly to join up with the protons. now when the join them, they become neutral, so neither the mag or electric field will have any effect upon them, so they drift along in the chamber to the walls and interact with normal matter. where they self destruct with normal matter, (which will be carefully chosen to be the wall, lets say a pure carbon wall), then the energies given off can be charted and examined.
    they can they fling a regular proton at such a wall and minus that observation from the study and see whats left etc.
    the real test will come when they shine lasers at them and exite their atomic spectra. we already know the spectra from normal matter so what will be the outcome? thats the quest. to see if the anitmatter has the same behaviour. this will show that the physics is either the same or not. its a way of verifying our models that we have built up about our world. to see the glory of god, you must look into his work...i think its in the psalms....remember that? though god isnt this argument....he already knows the answer, its we who dont....

    this will also help in answering the question, why is there more matter than antimatter in the creation? if everything was balanced in the bang, then rightly, it should be a complete annihilation and the universe should go back to being quiet, why didnt this occur? just some of the questions. there are thousands more.

    the speed of light like in star trek couldnt be attained in an instant anyway as we would die from the acceleration alone. a friend of mine once calculated that it would take a year to reach the speed of light while accelerating at 1G = 9m/s2.
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    so, scientist reckon we cannot attain 'c' because photons do not exceed it. photons are what we use to describe the energy in our world. to exceed light speed, you must first get a photon to do it. then you will have changed the nature of energy.
    there are experiments going on for this.
    using what we know, eg. light travels slower in glass, we can conduct experiments that will teach us about the nature of energy. so far we have been busy producing it, but not really understanding it. now we are looking more closely. there are a few fundamentla things to iron out first, like pauli's and heisenbergs little numbers that are used to balance equations and theories. we are still examining science which is between 50 and 100 years old....namely quantum mechanics and in this new theory, there are many things that say the world isnt fixed as we would like it.
    here is a good example. when you have a decay where 2 photons of the same energy are gven out in the opposite direction at the same time, we find that these photons seem to be aware of each other. now considering that they are both traveling at the speed of light, how does info pass between them? see the paradox? faster than light info carrier? but thats impossible right? there ya go....many unanswered questions...

    so places like cern in europe, los alamos in usa and the others scattered around the world are looking for these answers right now. its mankinds quest to know his world...we would be bored otherwise..... ;D

    besides, its the main reason why we were shoved out the garden wasnt it....it reads something like......now they have knowledge of good and bad, put them out of the garden lest they stretch forth and take from the tree of life and continue to live, for any thing that comes up into their heart(imagination), they will do.

    i dont blame heaven for kicking out the untrained, ignorant but clever specie known as man....do you? look at what they have done already!


    but here is a final food for thought....photons are created by the acceleration or deceleration of a charged body. not from regular speed but by the gain or reduction of speed. 8)

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