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    Default Anti-Matter :: Evidence men have NO idea what they're doing!

    Here's something I got from another forum:

    [quote author=Vermanucci™ link=board=22;threadid=154;start=0#msg894 date=1032663611]
    FYI:
    Physicists create antimatter - http://news.com.com/2100-1001-958719.html
    [/quote]

    Now reading this article reveals that anti-matter is defined as the physical opposite of matter thus having properties exactly the same as matter.. yet opposite....

    but here's where it gets interesting.. they're gonna make an investigation into whether a long supposed symmetry exists between matter and anti-matter.... that's like me investigating difference between circles and ZAblemishtein! ..

    just in case you are wondering ZAblemishtein is my own little creation... the definition of it is anything that is circular!

    why is it that we keep investigating the things that we define... do we expect to disprove ourselves?? how?? we have already made all the rules!

    the basis of these investigations seem shoddy and tautologous to me... but then... who ever called me a scientist?

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    Nice Post!

    It seems to me that these Scientists are messing with the structure of nature to an extent of madness. Firstly they have done their test only with Hydrogen Atoms. Being the simpliest in nature they have some how neglected to observe unstable atoms as well as more complex atoms which in nature would probably require alot of energy to compare their anti-synpsis.

    I can also see where their experiment may become unstable as inorder to produce their anti-aoms, they are slowing the natural speed of these original atoms. Maybe I'm wrong but I see this as a myth or aprojection of the mind to accomplish someting impossible.

    t is hard to believe that enclosing matter and anti-matter in a confined space and slowing their speed will result in the creation of more matter. If my knowledge serves me corect, a controlled experiment like this would result in some form of explosion similar to that ocuring in a nuclear reacton.

    Just wonderng, no definite answer ...... :

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    GK, Nemesis...

    ...no need to be frightened. To understand what these folks are doing, you have to understand something very simple in mathematics.

    -2 + 2 = 0

    Antimatter + Matter = Prions (primordial energy - pure light) which dissipates into infinity.

    What scientists are trying to do is to find the ULTIMATE fuel source. Theoretically, there is an inexhaustible amount of energy in the universe. If we tap into the energy that stabilizes an atom, we have essentially tapped into the most powerful and inexhaustible form of energy ever discovered. That means no more reliance on fossil fuel.

    But why is this significant?

    There are certain things in the universe that physicists have been trying to understand for ages. For example:
    • - What keeps a Neutron and a Proton together in the middle of an atom? We know what happens when you separate them (Atomic explosion) but how the hell do you keep all that energy bound into the core of an atom? There is another form of energy, far more powerful than subatomic forces that holds them together.
    • - What causes black holes? Black holes are rifts in the space time continuum. The gravimetric flux (basically, the force of gravity) at the centre of a black hole is so powerful that it can cancel out a beam of light energy (hence the black appearance - no light can pass it). What kind of energy is so powerful that it can cancel out PURE energy? That is literally the same as slowing down an electromagnetic particle from light speed to zero. Theoretically, that's impossible - If that were to happen, you'd create a black hole - which is an area where space and time are slowed down to zero, and the matter in the center is so dense, it could crush our entire solar system and reduce it to a spec of dust! The gravity in Black holes is so dense, that it folds areas of space together which are otherwise millions of light years apart (since the gravity is so powerful at the centre). But what's the point of travelling through such a wormhole if you would be reduced to dead mass? What kind of energy does that sort of thing?
    • Thirdly, what kind of energy keeps the hundreds of thousands of stars together at the centre of a galaxy? Why isn't there just one cosmic cataclysmic burst of energy? Why do those stars which are only a few million miles away from each other not slam into each other? Why is it that they are orbiting each other but not slamming into each other? There's an intense amount of gravity at the centre of a galaxy as well. It too is an unseen energy source.


    [More to come...]

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    Several decades ago, a brilliant scientist named Enrico Fermi realised that atomic explosions produce (for a fraction of a second) a type of energy which has never been before identified. This energy appears only for one ten thousandth of a second, and then vanished. Sub atomic particles are racing away from each other so fast, no one had the chance to study this new form of energy.

    This is where the theory of Anti-Matter was corroborated - and it makes perfect sense. Theoretically, the entire universe should explode and cease to exist since every atom has a proton and a neutron at its center and it is impossible to force two subatomic particles with similar charges to stick together like that.

    THEREFORE...

    When an atom is split, for a fraction of a second, the binding force that holds the centre of an atom together reveals itself before it is cancelled out by the other subatomic particles flying about in the cataclysmic chaos that ensues from attomic fission (i.e. an atomic explosion).

    Scientists are trying to study this elusive form of energy, because it balances out the entire universe. It keeps the universe as we know it together, with a few holes here and there... it is also QUITE stable - until it directly comes into contact with the opposite form of itself - by which time it merely produces pure, raw light energy. Lots of it.

    To give you an idea of how much energy is contained in this binding force, if you were to take this expanded energy, and take a pinhead worth of that energy and release it on earth, it would cause over 90 square miles of absolute destruction. That's how much energy we're talking about here.

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    Therefore it would be fair to say that although light is created when electrons change their orbit level in an atom (the extra energy is released as light), the mere act of an electron changing orbital levels inside an atom without destroying the atom (since it orbits at light speed) is one of pure amazement. For the sheer power with which it orbits the nucleus is one which binds matter together. We're talking about billions of gigajules of energy here! 80% of the damage created by an atomic explosion is from the sheer amout of light energy released when the atom splits. Now if that much light leaves the atom, can you imagine how much anti-matter it would take to hold it together? Suprisingly, not much.

    Therefore, can you imagine how much energy is contained in ONE atom of antimatter? Those numbers are in the septillion range (22 zeroes).

    If scientists can harness and control THAT kind of energy, we could:
    • - Build a device that can fold space (and therefore, time itself). Because with antimatter energy, you can slow down a particle's speed to near zero (not total zero, as that would cause a matter/antimatter implosion that would swallow the planet). When the particle's speed is slowed down to that rate, its density increases exponentially, and thereby its inert gravity. This causes everything else around it to slow down - it's like crushing a piece of paper into infinity - but in so doing, the very fabric of space and time itself is folded (because of the intense gravity). This literally creates a gap in reality - an artificial wormhole - a bridge between two parts of space that are millions of light years apart. (A light year is 6 trillion miles - you do the math). That means that you could build a ship that can go from here to pluto and back faster than you could travel to the supermarket in your car.
    • - Build space craft that doesn't need to use fossil fuels, chemical fuels, or atomic fuel. The ship could be powered by ONE atom of atimatter. With the HUGE amount of energy that antimatter possesses, space craft would be able to travel great distances for what would seem like indefinitely, since it could never expend that kind of energy in the lifetime of any human being.
    • - Cut the manufacture and production costs of space faring vessels for which 80% of its cost is in its fuel. With anti-matter energy, you could use the same ship for several generations in your family and never have to refuel for another several thousand years! This means that space faring vessels would become just as affordable as buying yourself a luxury car.

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    For those of you who think this is all science fiction - THINK AGAIN!

    About 6 years ago, scientists in Germany were able to slow down radio active particles from a plutonium isotope, to create a temporal vortex only a few hundred thousandths of an inch in diameter. The vortex could not be seen with the naked eye - but they were able to send an IR beam through the vortex which had music encoded onto it.

    On the other side of the vortex, is an IR receiver which would have picked up the IR beam, and played the music. The music didn't start playing until just under a minute later....

    Translation: Using a vast amount of magnetic energy (not anti-matter) scientists were able to create a wormhole that allowed them to send a piece of music, 1 minute into the future...

    That vortex is still far too tiny for a space craft to travel through. There is not enough fossil fuel on earth that could be used to create a magnetic field powerful enough to slow down enough subatomic particles to the point where they would create a temporal vortex (a wormhole) large enough for a ship to pass through it.

    HOWEVER...

    With the VAST amount of energy contained in Anti-matter, they could create a vortex large enough to swallow the moon from just a few anti-atoms!

    That is why Gentlemen, this discovery of ANTI-MATTER is one of THE GREATEST discoveries of the entire history of mankind. We have just taken the first step to becoming a true space faring race.

    Forget science fiction. Gene Roddenberry would eat his heart out.

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    - Just to be fair? I must mention that these particular physicists weren't in search of the ultimate rocket fuel, but I'm sure rocket scientists at NASA are already excited about this. There's just so much that can be done with this discovery, they'd have to be DEAD not to notice it! ;D

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    Out of curiousity Xeno, in ur last post, what do u think those scientists were out to achieve or accomplish??

    I personally knew from reading this post at the start that it would turn out to be about time travel and/or the freezing of time completely. this i think was the basis for those scientists u spoke about in ur last post.

    Correct me if i am wrong.

    Also Xeno do u think there will be a time where scientists will say that there isnt anything else to test or experiment with because they already understand what causes everything to occur???? Hopefully u understand what i mean.

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    Not likely. They still haven't unravelled the human G-NOME in its entirety. With over 70,000 different variables to consider, I don't think scientists will be isolating all the possible combinations of human chromosomes anytime in the next 3 to 5 centuries. By that time, I'm sure Christ would have returned anyway...

    Unravelling space / time is not half as difficult as understanding the human G-Nome. Biologists have more work cut out for them than do physicists. But in my humble opinion, physicists are having the greater deal of fun between the two. Physicists are exploring the indefinite unknown. Biologists are exploring the finite unknown.

    However, Biochemists are the ones making the lot of the money (think Viagra)

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    If u call pleasing aging or impotent men with a small blue pill fun, i call it an empire. I wish i had some investments or shares in that company.

    Anyways back to what we were saying, I have noticed a change in the frequency scientists make announcements about some discovery or the other, right now its like there isnt anything left for them to do.

    What i think these scientist should work on is a cure for the major virii that exist in the world, instead of focusing on freezing time or time travel.

    And u didnt answer my first question xeno

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    I'm sorry Mitchie, my bad...

    ...the scientists are trying to corroborate Einstein's unified theory.

    We all know the popular equation E = MC2 which in layman's terms says that:

    Energy = Mass x Light Speed sqaured.

    Meaning, matter will become energy once it travels at the speed of light squared. This is converting mass to energy - but WHY this is so no one can quite explain.

    We are clued in to the fact that an unseen force binds subatomic particles together. Furthermore, this unseen force seems to be responsible for relativity - Einstein's theory of relativity that is - which in layman's terms, basically states that time and distance are relative to each other across space.

    That means that if you travel at light speed and get to pluto in 8 hours, those 8 hours to you may be 8 years to me who is still on earth. When you return 8 hours later, your baby boy would have graduated college. That's the theory of relativity in a nutshell.

    E = MC2 explains relativity. This is because mass at light speed squared becomes energy but energy only travels as fast as light - this is known as the quantum paradox. The distance it travels is only as far as light itself would travel, even though it is moving at light speed squared. That means that time is directly proportional to any object moving at light speed, since no object can move FASTER than light (sorry Star Trek fans, it's all B.S.)

    But there is still a missing element. Why does an object disintegrate and become pure light energy at that speed? Here is where Einstein is brilliant. He proved the existence of anti-matter before ever doing it in a lab! Anti-matter Mitchie, is the missing link that explains the Quantum Paradox. Anti-matter holds an object together (see previous posts) until it reaches terminal velocity (light speed squared), it achieves critical mass, at which point, matter and anti-matter are no longer separated - they interact, and cancel out each other to form light energy.

    In discovering Anti-Matter, these scientists are trying to understand WHY the paradox exists. However, in a sense, they've opened up a whole new world of mathematics and physics. In the realm of physics Mitch, the brown matter has just hit the fan.

    All I was saying earlier is that other scientists will expedite this discovery for other purposes.

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    Please understand that this is a brutally oversimplified butchered explanation of the whole thing. It's a lot more complicated than this, but I don't like the idea of being unclear (as if I might not have already been so) and I would much rather you understand the whole point of this seeming pointlessness of the scientists discovering the fabric of space and time itself (who you all by now think are just being idle and have nothing better to do).

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