Flow has been using DOCSIS3.0 for a number of years now. That's how they can offer up to 100Mbps download. They only sell wideband modems now and THAT type of modem is a requirement for AVS (as its is IP based extra bandwidth is reserved for the video). Those with the older modems are using DOCSIS 2.0. Completely agree with you about ADSL it just needs to go. It's old and decaying and not being maintained. VDSL with only cause further issues with distance and attenuation so it's not worth the expense. Plus I am sure that's why LIME purchased Flow in the first place (their network).