Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet

[Nestersan]

Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet
By Eric Krangel

* Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet

(alleyinsider.com) -- Sony's (SNE) PS3 is dying on the shelves.

Alone among the three major videogame consoles, sales of the PS3 are down about 19% from November 2007, according to the latest stats from the NPD Group. Sony was only able to sell 378,000 PS3s this November, compared to 466,000 last year.

And the problem for Sony isn't the recession, it's the PS3. Microsoft (MSFT) put up respectable numbers with its Xbox 360, selling 836,000 units vs 777,000 in November 2007. And Nintendo's (NTDOY) Wii continues to dominate the market, more than doubling sales from 981,000 to 2.04 million.

So why is the PS3 flopping so badly?

1. It's the most expensive console on the market, $150 - $200 more than its rivals. Even if you believe the video game industry is "recession-proof" (it isn't), a tanking economy makes consumers more price-conscious.
2. The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray player. Too bad no one seems to care about hi-def DVDs. The differences between Blu-Ray and DVD are hard to see on a TV less than 50".
3. The PS3 just doesn't have any must-have titles exclusive to the console. "LittleBigPlanet" has generated decent buzz but isn't a game-changer, and neither is Sony's new virtual world "Home."

There's really only one option left for Sony to remain in the game: deep price cuts, and not just for people with good credit. Tell yourself the PS3 has superior graphics if it makes you feel better, but a $400 console with a mediocre game library simply cannot compete against an Xbox 360 priced at $200 in this economy

--- www.cnn.com

Glub, glub.............

[semitop]

Oh dear it didn't do as well as it did this month, last year... :icon_roll

Sony could take out things from the ps3 and make a cheaper one but i guess they don't see the point in a crippled console like M$ does.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

The PS3 hating getting kinda stale now still. What's the point? Some people get XBOX, some get Wii, some get PS3, some get two or all three. Whatever ...

[Nestersan]

The failcake is there for all to share.....

[Nestersan]

Oh dear it didn't do as well as it did this month, last year... :icon_roll

Sony could take out things from the ps3 and make a cheaper one but i guess they don't see the point in a crippled console like M$ does.

They apparently don't see the point in success and profitabilty either...

Sony don't need anyone to help them bake the failcake. They are doing it by themsleves, there is no value to be percieved by consumers at the PS3's current price point. Is not my fault you help funding the lifestyle of PS3 managmenent and getting nothing back.... Jobs are being lost everywhere, and people are cutting costs. Blu-ray players are now at $200.

Complain all the hell you all like, the proof of the cake is in it's failing.

[semitop]

what they need to do is let ppl hack the ps3. Then we see the sales similar to what the 360 has :eusa_shif

Lower costs would help but they also need to educate the noob masses. I think a ps3 would be a better buy than its 360 counter parts but most ppl would just buy the 360 and take on the costs that come their way.

"oh crap i need a HDD"
"50$ a year for live?"
"maybe its time i bought a bluray player"
"Oh man i need wireless to get the net from my computer room without running a massive cable to the living room"
"hmm i need some proper hd action"
:eusa_hand

and the most costly one "Oh my look at all those sexy games on the ps3." :icon_lol::icon_lol: :eusa_clap

Why u bringing psp into this? Anyway... obviously the psp would lose to a remade system. New > Old

[BlackCryptoKnight]

what they need to do is let ppl hack the ps3. Then we see the sales similar to what the 360 has :eusa_shif

Lower costs would help but they also need to educate the noob masses. I think a ps3 would be a better buy than its 360 counter parts but most ppl would just buy the 360 and take on the costs that come their way.

"oh crap i need a HDD"
"50$ a year for live?"
"maybe its time i bought a bluray player"
"Oh man i need wireless to get the net from my computer room without running a massive cable to the living room"
"hmm i need some proper hd action"
:eusa_hand

and the most costly one "Oh my look at all those sexy games on the ps3." :icon_lol::icon_lol: :eusa_clap
You forgot:
"I have to go buy another one 'cause this one just went RROD"
and:
"I have to go buy another one to play on Live, 'cause M$ just raised teh banhammer again, and this one's illegally modded.

[chig]

maybe their rep saying "Prices will be more competitive come March" has something to do with this... anyways nester your 'failcake' ting is infested wid green fungus now why u never drop this in your other thread instead a mek a new one

[Nestersan]

what they need to do is let ppl hack the ps3. Then we see the sales similar to what the 360 has :eusa_shif

Lower costs would help but they also need to educate the noob masses. I think a ps3 would be a better buy than its 360 counter parts but most ppl would just buy the 360 and take on the costs that come their way.

"oh crap i need a HDD"
"50$ a year for live?"
"maybe its time i bought a bluray player"
"Oh man i need wireless to get the net from my computer room without running a massive cable to the living room"
"hmm i need some proper hd action"
:eusa_hand

and the most costly one "Oh my look at all those sexy games on the ps3." :icon_lol::icon_lol: :eusa_clap


You can get a HD starting at $19.95.
Some people actually don't want to play multiplayer, and the ones that do pay for Live gold find that functional servers, and in game chat supported across all titles, better user experience beat Sony's pretend also ran network, the only thing SOny has going for them online is that it is better than the pathetic attempts made by Nintendo.
Samsung has a nice one for $200.00
BOTH Systems support 1080p, but only a small number of games are 1080p from jump without upscaling.


Anyhow..Sales figures are what I quoted, so you can go buy a couple million PS3's if you like, to make up the difference..:icon_lol:

[hv_thugg]

Ps3 is the best thing for me ppl jumping on xbox wagon because its cheap thats all.

[chig]

You can get a HD starting at $19.95.
Some people actually don't want to play multiplayer, and the ones that do pay for Live gold find that functional servers, and in game chat supported across all titles, better user experience beat Sony's pretend also ran network, the only thing SOny has going for them online is that it is better than the pathetic attempts made by Nintendo.
Samsung has a nice one for $200.00
BOTH Systems support 1080p, but only a small number of games are 1080p from jump without upscaling.


Anyhow..Sales figures are what I quoted, so you can go buy a couple million PS3's if you like, to make up the difference..:icon_lol:

your argument is flawed and the cnn fanboys argument is flawed, I wont bother nitpicking at the pointless bickering. I guess this economy is suited for cheapskates.. I mean, a man wid a camry would love to find any reason to say his car is better than a bmw... in any case, the demise you'd love to see is not going to happen.

[Nestersan]

It is weird how people seem NOT to be buying this marvel of modern engineering....
Anyhow, the market will decide...

It was just a news report on sales. Apparently it upset some folks. Open your wallets and buy more PS3's instead of complaining. Show them Sony is made of Win.

(for the record, I OWN neither console, but i do play both)

Tell you what since the poor sale figures so upsetting, I will now Report the Wii sales as PS3 Sales and Vice Versa....

[hv_thugg]

Report what you wish but as chig said just another xbox360 fan reporting

[chig]

for what reasons do we need to buy more ps3s? and if there's any complaint its not about the sales, its just that everyone notices that at least every other post by you in the console gaming section is anti-ps3. Anyways I guess the wii is full of win i cant argue with you

[Nestersan]

Aww...shucks.. you notice me ?

My day is made.
Why you no complain to the people who wrote the article and the people who not buying the PS3 and the developers who hate it?
There is some GREAT NEWS though.


I hate to harp on these kinds of details, so I'll keep it very brief. OS memory is not at parity, 360 still has lots more legroom. Plus, there is much more to RSX limitations that just vertex.

You cannot index into sampler registers on RSX. So what do you do? You can still calculate the index vertex side and pass it to the pixel shader. Pixel side, there's only 3 solutions I can think of. One is to use is if/else statements to determine which sampler to use. This is bad, but sometimes you have no choice. Or, you can sample from all your samplers, and use lerp's to choose which of the values to use in a branchless way. This is usually better than the above, but still not great. Lastly, if you are lucky then you can group your texures into one uber texture, and just monkey around with the texture coordinates to pick which part of the texture you want. This is even better since it's now just down to one sample and no branches, but only works if you can associate the textures together, which isn't always possible.

It's stuff like this that comes up everyday, which is partly why so few coders want to work on PS3. Then again, its because of this that PS3 coders are in huge demand and my mortgage is being paid off fast, so I guess I should be thanking Sony

SEE Sony is helping the economy !! YAY !!

[chig]

yes your arguments can somehow be smelled.
Please do talk about your Wiin console some more cause everything else is gossip, and all this PS3 talk only depresses us PS fanboys :eusa_wall

[Nestersan]

Alone among the three major videogame consoles, sales of the PS3 are down about 19% from November 2007, according to the latest stats from the NPD Group. Sony was only able to sell 378,000 PS3s this November, compared to 466,000 last year.

This is gossip ?
My youth, what are you smoking exactly ?
If sales records are gossip by Sony haters where we must get sales figures for ?
Maybe Your Post count is gossip, or the that Obama win the Us presidency ?
Shamefull News Media, reporting gossip....tsk, tsk.

[chig]

This is gossip ?
My youth, what are you smoking exactly ?
If sales records are gossip by Sony haters where we must get sales figures for ?
Maybe Your Post count is gossip, or the that Obama win the Us presidency ?
Shamefull News Media, reporting gossip....tsk, tsk.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gossip

[Nestersan]

: rumor or report of an intimate nature .

Nope, neither of those things
Pathetic is more likely.

[semitop]

Aww...shucks.. you notice me ?

My day is made.
Why you no complain to the people who wrote the article and the people who not buying the PS3 and the developers who hate it?
There is some GREAT NEWS though.



SEE Sony is helping the economy !! YAY !!

Does it matter? IF ps3 best looking games look better than 360 best looking games... does it matter? Show me a 360 game that is looking better than the best looking ps3 games then u can come with all these hardware limitations.

Gears 2 lame

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37504.html

Killzone 2 easily the best looking there

[Nestersan]

what hardware limitations....All that space age technology with no one who wants to make games for it except the 1.5 party devs...cry sob.. boo hoo.

It's a shame no one is buying the PS3 to see the 10-D graphics leaping out into their living rooms.

As for graphics, the PS2 was the worst of the last gen and was the winner, so apparantely the UFO tech that Sony is using now is not what the consumers want...

[semitop]

what hardware limitations....All that space age technology with no one who wants to make games for it except the 1.5 party devs...cry sob.. boo hoo.

It's a shame no one is buying the PS3 to see the 10-D graphics leaping out into their living rooms.

As for graphics, the PS2 was the worst of the last gen and was the winner, so apparantely the UFO tech that Sony is using now is not what the consumers want...

Nobody was *****ing about ps2 hardware problems at the time were they? stating the games can surpass the competitor just counters that claim that u all keep making. as for sales, nintendo needed a gimick like they have now with the wii to get the cube to sell. Xbox was just a computer in the living room, was ugly as fk, couldn't play dvds without control.

Hardware aside the ps3 developers can easily make the crap games that are on the wii; pushing the console is what is hard, making a less demanding yet fun game (little big planet) is easy. If they know what the new generation of gamers want they can easily do it A decent amount of blame can be placed on developers (take pc gaming for one, they say its dying but don't provide us with compelling games). For most of the intelligent folk the ps3 is it tho.

[Nestersan]

lol..It is a shame that the average user is not as smart as you then huh, because they not only buy the Xbox360 but buy 8-9 games for it, so it has the highest attach rate of all the consoles, making the game publishers happy.

Sales speak for themselves..PS3 the console of the lonely Elite. Whoot.

The PS2 was VERY hard to create games for as well, but guess what, with the crazy profits to be made by the huge install base of the PS2, developers bore it, cause they could be driving Ferrari's in a couple months.

The PS3 does not have the install base, and Xbox360 is much easier to code for.

Sales figures and attach rates speak for themselves.

You know, you can say what u like about the magic Cell subsystem, you can't code for it and you don't. You not under-staffed, and facing crunch time to have a product launched to meet sales forecasts. You dont have the Xbox360 version done, and have to be struggling with RSX and memory constraints when you should be home with family.

What you can do however is listen to Sony tell you to get another job to buy the PS3, and have them show you pre-rendered CGi and pass it off as realtime play.

Sony doing remarkably well, from 120 Million PS2's to 17 Million PS3's.

I bet is on purpose...

[semitop]

lol..It is a shame that the average user is not as smart as you then huh, because they not only buy the Xbox360 but buy 8-9 games for it, so it has the highest attach rate of all the consoles, making the game publishers happy.

Sales speak for themselves..PS3 the console of the lonely Elite. Whoot.

How many good game developers are out there? The ones who actually innovate and don't just repeat the same ****e with a new face? Guess they hoping that gamers change with generations and what was old becomes new. They can be happy if they make good games and don't hope its easy to make so-so games. U can make a good console but if u are relying on a bunch of lazy pssies to develop for it u not going anywhere. Does xbl make the crap more palatable?

Whats stopping ms and sony doing what nintendo does? The wii has atleast 3 controllers now. so why can't the others introduce something to allow a different type of game?


lol..It is a shame that the average user is not as smart as you then huh, because they not only buy the Xbox360 but buy 8-9 games for it, so it has the highest attach rate of all the consoles, making the game publishers happy.

Sales speak for themselves..PS3 the console of the lonely Elite. Whoot.

The PS2 was VERY hard to create games for as well, but guess what, with the crazy profits to be made by the huge install base of the PS2, developers bore it, cause they could be driving Ferrari's in a couple months.

The PS3 does not have the install base, and Xbox360 is much easier to code for.

Sales figures and attach rates speak for themselves.

You know, you can say what u like about the magic Cell subsystem, you can't code for it and you don't. You not under-staffed, and facing crunch time to have a product launched to meet sales forecasts. You dont have the Xbox360 version done, and have to be struggling with RSX and memory constraints when you should be home with family.

What you can do however is listen to Sony tell you to get another job to buy the PS3, and have them show you pre-rendered CGi and pass it off as realtime play.

Sony doing remarkably well, from 120 Million PS2's to 17 Million PS3's.

I bet is on purpose...

Ok... so... why? Why is it doing badly? u just said the ps2 was hard to code for as well but with that difficulty why was there the install base? Was it totally because it was released first?

[SgtMac2]

I ordered my Wii last weekend, it was delivered with Zelda Twilight Princess on Thursday and Friday and will reach me next Sunday. :icon_redf
i am sorry Sony, didn't mean to hurt you guys, but i just wanna have fun, not into the politics.
hope that bluray thing works out for you guys.
the Wii gimmick is pretty interesting tho, that constantly sold out gimmick... gotta give it to the marketing people, they hit it outta the park on that one.

[Nestersan]

If the PS3 delights you, then join the other 17 Million people out there and get one.

I am reporting sales..Go argue your case with john public who ain't buying it.
Everyone has increased sales but Sony sales in decline. You figure it out, and then tell Sony, I am sure they will be happy.

[SgtMac2]

btw, speaking of Sales.. did anyone see any reduced priced Wii selling lately, circa Black Friday etc?
i note that Sony and Xbox consoles are dirt cheap right now, but the Wii is still MSRP US$250 and EBAYin at closer to US$350 and $400.

[Gladiator]

There have never really been Wii discounts. Why would there be and if a store actually has any in stock it causes a run on the store. there are ways to get the PS3 for $250 or so but most people wouldnt know about them. so for most people the price is $400 and in these hard times that's just too much. and the added bonus of it playing bluray is no a go now when blu-ray players are under $200 on a regular basis.

[Nestersan]

Nintendo doing well, even if those wretches lower the manufacturing costs to $10, they will still sell it at $250..

[Nameless]

which good games can i get for my ps3 i jus got one.....have been out of the whole gaming thing for a bit

[chig]

Nintendo doing well, even if those wretches lower the manufacturing costs to $10, they will still sell it at $250..
how much profit do they make per wii again?


which good games can i get for my ps3 i jus got one.....have been out of the whole gaming thing for a bit
theres a bunch but we cant kno your taste so you can discuss it here (http://www.techjamaica.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64535)

[Makkah]

how much profit do they make per wii again?
$6 per console IIRC.

[Nestersan]

$6 per console IIRC.


Nintendo President Satoru Iwata promised from the very beginning that the Wii console would generate a profit on day one. While Nintendo has not disclosed exactly how much it costs them to make the Wii console, a new report in the Financial Times cites Nikko Citigroup analyst Soichiro Fukuda who estimates that Nintendo's gross profit per console is 1,500 yen in Japan, 5,600 yen in the U.S. and 8,500 yen in Europe. That equates to about $13, $49 and $74, respectively.

Fukuda says that Nintendo is able to make more money on the console in the U.S. and Europe because of a slightly higher retail price and the bundling of the Wii Sports software.

--- http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/report-nintendo-makes-about-49-per-wii-sold-in-us/70921/?biz=1

[Morpheus]

1. It's the most expensive console on the market, $150 - $200 more than its rivals. Even if you believe the video game industry is "recession-proof" (it isn't), a tanking economy makes consumers more price-conscious.
2. The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray player. Too bad no one seems to care about hi-def DVDs. The differences between Blu-Ray and DVD are hard to see on a TV less than 50".
3. The PS3 just doesn't have any must-have titles exclusive to the console. "LittleBigPlanet" has generated decent buzz but isn't a game-changer, and neither is Sony's new virtual world "Home."

First of all let me say I am not a fanboy of any thing (except Google) but I have a dislike for most things Microsoft so you can call me on any bias you may see . However as one of the few persons who has actually owned all 3 next gen consoles (sold the 360 but I will address that at another time) I think I can be objective.I agree with points 1 and 2 but only partially with 3.

With regards points 1 and 2, I can tell you that the thing which drives game/console sales is firstly fun factor then economics and a lot of that value added stuff such as BluRay players make little difference. Hence their standing in terms of sales:

1. Wii, cheapest, decent library of good games, crappy graphics, reliable hardware
2. XBOX 360, cheap, good library of good games, good graphics, unreliable hardware
3. PS3, expensive, limited library of good games, best graphics, reliable hardware

With regards to point number 3 while exclusives help to sell consoles eg HALO. What will really generate the bulk of your sales is the library. Not everybody wants to play HALO everyday and not everybody wants to even play it in the first place.

From an economics stand point I would say Sony has been failing so far but I would not race to stamp them with an EPIC FAIL until this round is over. For all the predictions of our analysts we never know what could happen next year with regards to the world economy.

Also from the stand point of value for money, reliability, and which is the best console the Playstation 3 still wins hands down. Its like everyone knows Ferrari makes some of the best cars but not everyone can afford one. Just because Toyotas outsell Ferraris it doesnt mean Toyotas are better or Ferrari has failed.

[Nestersan]

Dude, really bad analogy there...
Ferrari is owned by FIAT..... SO yeah making fast pretty cars without good management gonna leave you in financial tatters, just like the PS3.

[Morpheus]

Its not a bad analogy when you explore it fully.

I do agree with what you said


Ferrari is owned by FIAT..... SO yeah making fast pretty cars without good management gonna leave you in financial tatters, just like the PS3.

Like I said Sony is failing from a economics standpoint but they still have the best console.

[Nestersan]

Strangely enough, the Developers seem to disagree on that... Since Google is your friend, you can verify that fact.

Here is the thing, FIAT make up them mind that Ferrari is there to run F1 red, the road cars are an indulgence and basically a proving ground for F1 tech, before it trickles down into mass market.
Sony kinda not doing so hot, cause it was always SCIE that was making the boatload of money, more than the movie or electronics arms.

Potential does not equal better, better equals better. You remember that old joke http://www.digitalroom.net/index2.html ??

[Morpheus]

Strangely enough, the Developers seem to disagree on that... Since Google is your friend, you can verify that fact.

Developers have always said so because of the difficulties and level of work needed to develop a game as versus other consoles. I can't argue with that because I am not a developer and I am speaking from an end user point of view here.

[pezz]

Developers have always said so because of the difficulties and level of work needed to develop a game as versus other consoles. I can't argue with that because I am not a developer and I am speaking from an end user point of view here.
one thing I disagree with.. "ps3 has better graphics"nthat havent been proven up to this day... I am still waiting to see that..... but a over all package the ps3 is a better console for a living room... but only one does it best in gaming

[Nestersan]

I still think the true rise of the total media/entertainment hub is not gonna be this generation.

[semitop]

one thing I disagree with.. "ps3 has better graphics"nthat havent been proven up to this day... I am still waiting to see that..... but a over all package the ps3 is a better console for a living room... but only one does it best in gaming

Open ur eyes.


Strangely enough, the Developers seem to disagree on that... Since Google is your friend, you can verify that fact.

Here is the thing, FIAT make up them mind that Ferrari is there to run F1 red, the road cars are an indulgence and basically a proving ground for F1 tech, before it trickles down into mass market.
Sony kinda not doing so hot, cause it was always SCIE that was making the boatload of money, more than the movie or electronics arms.

Potential does not equal better, better equals better. You remember that old joke http://www.digitalroom.net/index2.html ??

Best console depends

[chig]

actually the xbox is failing everywhere outside america. check these: 2 year numbers for sales of the 360 and the ps3. weekly/monthly sales for any territory outside the US, the graphs have been showing me 3:1 or at leat 2:1 PS3 to 360 ratios.

and Take 2 reported about 40% or so of their income comes from the PS3 compared to all other gaming devices on the market. I guess we dont have to worry about losing this dev

[Nestersan]

Sales charts seems to beg to differ:

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2979/solutionqz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8066/wwwvy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[chig]

Sales charts seems to beg to differ

ute what is that? not a response to what I said surely

[owen]

as I said before wait 3q 2009.

[MiniKilla]

Xbox 360 all the way soon buy a ps3 but they r 2 expensive.

[semitop]

Whats the first chart showing?

[chig]

as I said before wait 3q 2009.
3rd quarter 2009 for what? you adjust your prediction all of a sudden

semi all nester do is show a weekly sales chart for 13 Jan 2007 - dec 2008 worldwide. I'm sure he did it to respond to my comment but he twisted it to show totals which obviously will favor the 360's year start. He missed my point by a good distance, quite likely intentionally.

[Nestersan]

Chig, you stated ps3 having better sales than xbox360 compared by year by year. I will give u Japan, and they have good sales in Europe, but M$ is taking TAKEN over Europe.

[owen]

3rd quarter 2009 for what? you adjust your prediction all of a sudden

semi all nester do is show a weekly sales chart for 13 Jan 2007 - dec 2008 worldwide. I'm sure he did it to respond to my comment but he twisted it to show totals which obviously will favor the 360's year start. He missed my point by a good distance, quite likely intentionally.

no, its has always been 3q 2009. it simply cannot last another christmas season.

[Nestersan]

Here is my take...Sryously.. Sony opened up the door for the non-traditional studio to succeed, like the PC did. Nintendo was a tyrant king and monopolistic to boot.

Sony has become the tyrant king, and becuase the devs have an alternative console, they are punishing them for it. As they rightly should.

I will freely admit, that games that speak to me as a gamer. Ico, GOW, Shadow of the Colossus, DMC, No more heroes etc would not have been created if left up to the likes of Nintendo or M$.

Sony's Management are being an asshats this time around, but they have devs like Naugty Dog (uncharted is awesome) who will never abandon them, and seem to have a great amount of control over what they put out.

Sony's being pwned on all fronts by M$ (Home is made of fail at the moment, moving like it want to become sister to Duke Nukem), and hopefully, like a punishing blow should, it will teach them to fly right.

[semitop]

teach them to release their console first and with sufficient quantities available

[samev]

You all fail to see what Sony plans are, the PS3 was not meant to be the winning console this generation, that was actually the least of Sony's problems. They could live with losing the Console war this generation and come back blazing in the next, what they couldn't afford to lose was the High Definition Disc Format battle.

Having BR as the winner would see Sony riding through the years to come in a pile of money. The CELL CPU works best for HD Videos than it does for games, Sony put more effort into BR than the PS3 main features themselves. With every new BR feature, the PS3 is the first to get it, watch and notice these things. BR is what really hamper the PS brand this gen, but it is worth the risk so far, all that needs to happen is for BR production to be cheaper and price in hardware comes down, this is where the PS3 yet again plays the biggest role. More PS3's equal cheaper BR drives.

Next gen things will be interesting, I suspect Sony to use CELL than wasting money on a new processor, they might just tweak it a bit for better gaming performance. Due to the amount of PS3 sold this gen, CELL production will be way cheaper, BR drives will be way cheaper by then too, the most expensive parts might just be the GPU. If Microsoft want real HD next gen they might be forced to use BR, a newer format will go unsupported by the majority thus seeing production costs go upwards than slide, basically we could say BR is the final major disc format. MS are already wising up by contemplating a BR drive addon, this is just the beginning of Sony's new cash cow if everything goes as planned. PS4 or whatever they will call it (i suspect a new name, PS something, not 4) will be the one to watch come 2012

[owen]

if the ps3 dies then BR dies. because the ps3 is probably the best BR player

[samev]

if the ps3 dies then BR dies. because the ps3 is probably the best BR player

Actually, its not the best, but its the cheapest that has all the features of the real BR players. The PS3 won't die either, its just unlikely it will take the #2 spot, #1 spot belongs to the Wii and that will not change. Man the only way Sony can retain anything is to drastically drop the price, right now 360 cost USD$199.99, cant beat that

[semitop]

Actually, its not the best, but its the cheapest that has all the features of the real BR players. The PS3 won't die either, its just unlikely it will take the #2 spot, #1 spot belongs to the Wii and that will not change. Man the only way Sony can retain anything is to drastically drop the price, right now 360 cost USD$199.99, cant beat that

The 360 does not cost 199. Well whatever... u go buy a 199 360 and be happy.

Death of ps3 is not the death of bluray simply because its the standard for hd and there is way too much invested by many for it to rely on the ps3 alone. Ps3 helped it get where it is.

A processor similar to cell would be good for the next playstation. That should help backwards compatibility a bit.

[samev]

The 360 does not cost 199. Well whatever... u go buy a 199 360 and be happy.

Death of ps3 is not the death of bluray simply because its the standard for hd and there is way too much invested by many for it to rely on the ps3 alone. Ps3 helped it get where it is.

A processor similar to cell would be good for the next playstation. That should help backwards compatibility a bit.

I actually read that Xbox 360 Arcade will be slashed to $199.99 engadget a short while back, I base my pricing from that article. I actually thought they were out an bad

Update:

Did a search and came up with this http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2008/sep08/09-03Xbox360PriceDropPR.mspx $199 Xbox 360 is real

[Gladiator]

if the ps3 dies then BR dies. because the ps3 is probably the best BR player

the ps3 used to drive blu-ray sales when it was the cheapest player around. it was $500 and the standalone players were $800. but now blu-ray players are under $200 regularly (walmart on BF -$128, amazon a couple weeks $140 w/8 movies) so that's not it's claim to fame anymore. it has to stand up on it's own merits now and really it's still too expensive.

[semitop]

the ps3 used to drive blu-ray sales when it was the cheapest player around. it was $500 and the standalone players were $800. but now blu-ray players are under $200 regularly (walmart on BF -$128, amazon a couple weeks $140 w/8 movies) so that's not it's claim to fame anymore. it has to stand up on it's own merits now and really it's still too expensive.

Its still a claim to fame. Its added value just that now ppl have to consider if they want the gaming aspect of it. Also it was said that it does bluray playing better than the cheaper player models

I meant a 199 arcade system is likely to attract other costs if a gamer trully wants to be happy with it.

[Gladiator]

oh for sure a $199 arcade 360 will need xtras to be decent so more money will have to spent. but to get people at least in the 360 camp it's not a bad idea from microsoft.

as for the idea that the ps3 is better than the cheaper players well that may have been true once but when the cheaper players are for example the sammy BD-P1500 @ $150-$200 I doubt that holds true anymore. i just can't see the PS3 being the catalyst for Blu-ray sales anymore since it's a lot more expensive than standalone players now.

[semitop]

the other way around. bluray catalyst for ps3 sales...

and bd-p1500? no yout

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/moneymag/0811/gallery.blueray_players.moneymag/

And those are recent enough articles

[owen]

A processer similar to the PS2 would be good for the ps4. lol
even if its not the cheapest it is the "best".
3q2009

[semitop]

A processer similar to the PS2 would be good for the ps4. lol
even if its not the cheapest it is the "best".
3q2009

a processor similar to the ps3 yeah. Cell is just one stop on the road, they will make better versions

[Gladiator]

the other way around. bluray catalyst for ps3 sales...

and bd-p1500? no yout

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/moneymag/0811/gallery.blueray_players.moneymag/

And those are recent enough articles

the problem with reviews is they have no idea what's really happening on the ground. when sears had a sale on the BD-P1500 for $150 the other day for a weekend it basically meant that every store with driving distance of Sears was selling it for $150 since they had to pricematch. pricematching? some people would know how this works, others might not so I'll explain. Basically every store has a policy that they will match another store's price for an item as long as it's advertised as a regular sale item ie in the weekly sales flyers or online. They won't pricematch clearance. So when Sears dropped the price of the BD-P1500 to $150 it meant that Fry's, Best Buy, Circuit City, HH Gregg and Walmart were selling it for the same price since all you had to do was walk in with the Sears ad and they had it to sell it for the same price as Sears and in the case of Circuit City for $150 - 10% since their pricematch policy is 110%. Sold out everywhere in hours. Same thing happened on Black Friday when Walmart had a Magnavox $128. Sold out everywhere. When the PS3 @ $500 it was cheaper or the same as Blu-ray players then of course it would outsell all the others but now it's $400 and the players are $200 normally and under that on occasion below that it just won't sell as well as a compared to standalone players. Price is what drives these things. The players are cheaper now Blu-ray sales don't need the PS3 to be sustained. The sooner the players get to <$150 on a regular non-sale day the better it will be for Sony and their hopes for Blu-ray.

[semitop]

the argument was that it wasn't preferable to the cheaper ones wasn't it? If u want to say that their claim that that particular player doesn't support even 5.1, loads slowly and doesn't have matching playback quality then go ahead. Otherwise its just a cheap entry into bluray that doesn't hold a candle to other more expensive bluray players of which, they claim, the ps3 is the best.

[Gladiator]

it may not be the best but that's not what drives sales. only people who care about that are the reviewers and technophiles. price is what drives sales for most. people don't care if it's the best player as long as they feel they are getting good value for their money.it's all about the money. when walmart had a magnavox player for $128 on Black Friday people heard 2 things; 1. Blu-ray 2. $128. Cheaper wins in the marketplace every time.

[semitop]

it may not be the best but that's not what drives sales. only people who care about that are the reviewers and technophiles. price is what drives sales for most. people don't care if it's the best player as long as they feel they are getting good value for their money.it's all about the money. when walmart had a magnavox player for $128 on Black Friday people heard 2 things; 1. Blu-ray 2. $128. Cheaper wins in the marketplace every time.

Guess u are right. For me and i think a lot of ppl here they want the most for their money. I don't like regretting buying something and i know if one buys a player thats not meeting a minimum standard it would not be a nice deal cause later i going want a feature and it nuh deh deh. But yeh most ppl would just go for cheaper first.

[Nestersan]

Considering most people cannot tell the difference in Video Quality between a PS3 Bluray player and a $150 one, again it is the market that determines the winner. I know people with 52" HDtv's and still watching SD cable, cause they do not know or did not see the difference on the one time they saw a show in HD.

[Gladiator]

Guess u are right. For me and i think a lot of ppl here they want the most for their money. I don't like regretting buying something and i know if one buys a player thats not meeting a minimum standard it would not be a nice deal cause later i going want a feature and it nuh deh deh. But yeh most ppl would just go for cheaper first.

that's perfectly true. no one wants to buy something and then regret it 6 months later.

my whole point was as good as the ps3 is as a blu-ray you can get players that are just good that cost a whole lot less like the Panasonic DMP-BD35K which was also @ $150 recently. so anyone who thinks the PS3 is driving Blu-ray sales is mistaken. It's just too expensive to generate the kind of sales that sony wants for blu-ray. the players AND the movies have to get cheaper. and there's also the fact that for a lot of people who don't have a HDTV, their regular old tv and dvd player work just fine and they don't want $30 blu-ray movies and $1000 HDTVs.

[semitop]

Considering most people cannot tell the difference in Video Quality between a PS3 Bluray player and a $150 one, again it is the market that determines the winner. I know people with 52" HDtv's and still watching SD cable, cause they do not know or did not see the difference on the one time they saw a show in HD.

noobs. some ppl will say its a world of difference and others will be like ... what diff. I doa like backwards ppl enuh.

[hv_thugg]

Considering most people cannot tell the difference in Video Quality between a PS3 Bluray player and a $150 one, again it is the market that determines the winner. I know people with 52" HDtv's and still watching SD cable, cause they do not know or did not see the difference on the one time they saw a show in HD.

so whats wrong with that? ppl preffer to watch them regular thing on them big screen main word their BIG now when we playing game on the 52 a diffrent thing straight HD. But you need to watch a blue rya movie its noway you can confuse the 2.

[don_corleone]

i dont think the ps3 was ever afloat..lol

[semitop]

i dont think the ps3 was ever afloat..lol

gweh nuh...............

Unless u mean its a super futuristic sub

[Malloc-X]

no matter how much the x360 red ring, hd fails or dvd rom fails its still outsellin the ps3. why is that? maybe this is a strategy from M$ build faulty hardware so people will be force to buy a new one every year

[semitop]

its simple really. Ppl fool. It came out first and has dug itself into ppl lives, they tell their friends about it and tell their friends not to get ps3... their friends don't know ntn else and go get one. If Ps3 came out first it woulda been totally different. (talking bout when the 360 prices was higher). Now with lower price ppl buy it cause its what they can afford (some anyway)

[Nestersan]

It was Sony's strategy to lose money and market share from jump. Only wise men like Semitop see it. The rest of us are fools caught up in sales figures and profitablilty.

[SgtMac2]

went to link a colleague christmas eve and while we were talkin i noticed he had a 360. so i asked him about cooling solutions he may have tried to forestall the RROD. he said, nope, he hasn't tried any and the 360 i saw was the THIRD one he had purchased.
the argument kinda pause right there for me still. why would i buy a third one after the first one bun up and then the replacement for that one bun up too?
The X in Xbox must be for Xtra profit from selling broken shizz to people.
anyways...

[Nestersan]

M$ replaces them under warranty, even used ones, so honestly, i fear no RROD

[semitop]

M$ replaces them under warranty, even used ones, so honestly, i fear no RROD

Cause u have ur ting setup. U are willing and able to get it to them and go thru gettin the replacement.

Yes i am the wise one... rest of unnu just fowl :eusa_danc

[chig]

Late response to Nesters statement: you may like to read what I posted you were to look on again. But since u cant here is what I said
360 2 year sales (http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=38662&end=39411&weekly=1): just under 14mil
PS3 2 year sales (http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39033&end=39768&weekly=1): 16.9mil
Win: PS3

And u call the 360 price cut for winter edging their total sales in europe slightly over the ps3's "taken over (http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Europe&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=39439&end=39803&weekly=1)"? Ok, but what happens when the PS3 sees the price cut that has been rumored for next summer? And 8.1 mil for 3 years compared to 7.6 for 2yrs doesn't deem a PS3 failure, it means the PS3 has been outselling the 360 there nearly 2 to 1. Guess you're saying the tables can't be turned again.
Whatever happens, the US is still the 360's major market, contributing to over 60% of their sales. But would you be surprised if those sales start capping off and the PS3 starts catching up? Or will the PS3 die like owen claims next fall because according to your logic it is only being bought for blu ray which can now be gotten for cheaper?

Well I'll just wait to see instead of the miss cleo argument, but from what I have seen, the PS3 has a better line-up for 2009 which will be attracting buyers from the 360 clan.

[Gladiator]

Late response to Nesters statement: you may like to read what I posted you were to look on again. But since u cant here is what I said
360 2 year sales (http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=38662&end=39411&weekly=1): just under 14mil
PS3 2 year sales (http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39033&end=39768&weekly=1): 16.9mil
Win: PS3

And u call the 360 price cut for winter edging their total sales in europe slightly over the ps3's "taken over (http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Europe&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=39439&end=39803&weekly=1)"? Ok, but what happens when the PS3 sees the price cut that has been rumored for next summer? And 8.1 mil for 3 years compared to 7.6 for 2yrs doesn't deem a PS3 failure, it means the PS3 has been outselling the 360 there nearly 2 to 1. Guess you're saying the tables can't be turned again.
Whatever happens, the US is still the 360's major market, contributing to over 60% of their sales. But would you be surprised if those sales start capping off and the PS3 starts catching up? Or will the PS3 die like owen claims next fall because according to your logic it is only being bought for blu ray which can now be gotten for cheaper?

Well I'll just wait to see instead of the miss cleo argument, but from what I have seen, the PS3 has a better line-up for 2009 which will be attracting buyers from the 360 clan.

where did you get those numbers? i'm clicking your links and seeing something different. oh i see what you did now. that's not even a comparison. you compared the total for the 360 for 05-07 against the total for the PS3 for 06-08 and then said that's a win for the PS3. hmmmmm wtf is that? looking at the charts it supports what anyone with eyes can see. the wii has in a couple years flew past the 360 and ps3. the 360 has been on a steady rise. the ps3 is bringing up the rear by a long way.

[owen]

why are you guys still arguing about this? everybody who wanted a 360 has already bought it. half the people who wanted a ps3 haven't bought it yet for what ever reason. The wii is the winner. the ps3 is the xbox/dreamcast of this generation, 9 months and its history. Has anybody played home yet? is HOME going to save ps3? where is the HOME thread?

[semitop]

At E3 in May 2006, Bill Gates announced that Microsoft would have a head start of 10 million units by the time Sony and Nintendo entered the market.[93] Microsoft later specified that goal and estimated shipments of 10 million units by the end of 2006.[94]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360


However, despite these sales figures, Microsoft's gaming division is losing money. Through 2005, the Xbox gaming division had lost over $4 billion.[99] However, Microsoft expects the console will start making money in 2008.[100] The losses are due to the market strategy of selling consoles below cost in order to obtain market saturation and gain profits on software and peripherals that have a much higher profit margin

guess thats why those controllers etc seem to cost more than they should. M$ losing money too (3 years after release they expect profit.... ps3 is in 2nd year) and wii took off like a friggin rocket.

[Nestersan]

why are you guys still arguing about this? everybody who wanted a 360 has already bought it. half the people who wanted a ps3 haven't bought it yet for what ever reason. The wii is the winner. the ps3 is the xbox/dreamcast of this generation, 9 months and its history. Has anybody played home yet? is HOME going to save ps3? where is the HOME thread?

Home is....wait for it....wait for it... HOMELESS....:eusa_danc

pst... I heard Home disabled the Voice feature.....lolz

[chig]

where did you get those numbers? i'm clicking your links and seeing something different. oh i see what you did now. that's not even a comparison. you compared the total for the 360 for 05-07 against the total for the PS3 for 06-08 and then said that's a win for the PS3. hmmmmm wtf is that? looking at the charts it supports what anyone with eyes can see. the wii has in a couple years flew past the 360 and ps3. the 360 has been on a steady rise. the ps3 is bringing up the rear by a long way.

I'm not talking about the wii, and I was comparing the first 2 year sales for the 360 and the PS3.

Homes voice chat is temporarily disabled, only in the public spaces, its still there for private spaces. Home is not a game for people to play Owen. Home was never meant to be any console seller. Why would there be a thread for Home? In 9 months time I will be laughing at you choking on your words.

[Gladiator]

I'm not talking about the wii, and I was comparing the first 2 year sales for the 360 and the PS3.

it's kind of pointless to compare them like that. the 360 has been around a year longer it's cumulative total will logically be more. if you look at the period when they have both been available it's still outsold the ps3. which again is logical since the ps3 was the most expensive of all the consoles for a long time.