Best darn graphics card

[yogi_hm]

OK all you professional gamers I have a question for you all which b rand do you people think makes the absolute best graphics cards??????

[Ropy]

I think ATI is the best, their only problem is writing bug free drivers. I think they are getting there though...

[wheelman]

For Linux, Nvidia rocks, no doubt. It really depends on the machine and what it has to compliment it. Bus speed, Motherborad AGP slot speed (4x or 8x), company producing the card and type of system ram used with the video card (SDRAM or DDR)

There a whole lot of factors but Generally Nvidia is best for gaming, since they bought out Voodoo which was a really good contender.

ATI is good on TV Tuner cards and professional video production cards thats for sure.

[matronyx]

I have experience with both nvidia and ati.

Nvidia has always been number one when it comes to shear games rendering, but since last year ATI dethroned them.
ATI has always had a problem with the stability of their driver releases, but lately they be cleaning up their act.

Linux will run a handful of ATI cards, but many users report that they still have to do some dirty work to get it running satisfactory.

Nvdia on the other hand,....hmmm
No problems in both windows and linux systems. What I love especially is the huge support Nvidia has given to linux driver development.

Some say that still isn't enough to make them want to get a nvidia card, but if you check the reviews right now, you'll see that both cards are fighting neck and neck for the Gamer's Graphics Card Throne.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1074270,00.asp

I'd go with Nvidia ;D

[deakie]

matrox with nvidia chipset????? nooooooo.
matrox makes their own chipset.
im running an older g400 dual head card with 32mb of ram and i can run ut2003 quite comfortably.
the dual head allows me to have 2 monitors for when i want to do multiple tasks or a bit of video editing. also i pan out to tv as well.
saving up to buy the new parhelia.....gonna take some time though to justify it.
the matrox gpu runs at 360mhz and what does the nvidia runs at???
still its tre, the matrox is the best in the 2d arena where nvidia was rulling for the 3d but the parhelia seems to be rockin many cradles right now as its quickly being taken up in industry for 3D work. thats the standard for the Dx and Ogl industries. games follow that.

apparently, only the matrox parhelia and nvid's fx graphic cards are gonna be able to cope with doom 3. :-[

[Xenocrates]

Gentlemen, we need not deliberate this issue. The ATI Radeon 9700 is the most powerful graphics card to hit the mass consumer market EVER. This is according to independent Winstone benchmarks from:


- CNET
- ZDNET
- TechTv
- PC Games
- Computer Games
- Computer Gaming World
- EGM
- Winstone Labs


- They have all come to the same conclusion. The ATI Radeon 9700 surpasses ANY nVidia card both in terms of graphics AND speed. Just make sure you have the US $399 for it. Currently, ATI is king.

We can close this thread here.

[matronyx]

Please check here:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1075336,00.asp
both Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB version) and GeForceFX 5900 Ultra got 9/10 in scores.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030512/geforce_fx_5900-32.html
NOTE:

Thanks to the numerous tweaks, improvements and refinements, the card is finally able to beat the Radeon 9800 PRO. Power users and enthusiasts will have a hard time finding a better alternative. We were also pleased to hear that NVIDIA will offer value versions of the FX 5900 as well.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDcyLDE0

It will always be a neck-n-neck battle. ;D

[Xenocrates]

g'damn... 9800... ok.... :o

[deakie]

yep....i refuse to keep up with those joneses. i would be constantly broke.
i think its why i decided on the parhelia. triple monitor display. make you feel like you really running tings, even doe u only havin a beer an chillin. ;D

[matronyx]

do you have three(3) monitors?

[seanbee20]

Yep Radeon 9800 Pro 256, the shiznit out right now i must say, the geforce fx 5900 is very hype too, in benchmarks both are neck and neck, but read this article about nvidia cheating in benchmarks with their recent driver release (how low is that)

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1086025,00.asp

[matronyx]

I was waiting for that...lol

Don't worry, this has been a thing that all manufacturers suprisingly have been caught doing, creating special benchmark drivers to beef up final scores.

That was my biggest peeve with ATI two yrs ago. They created a enhanced driver for the Quake3 tests and when it was found out, the first to make it public was nvidia.

tit 4 tat

[Skillachi]

I voted for NVIDIA
Main reason ATI's Drivers suck *** to the maximum capacity. Whenever ATI works on the drivers i may reconsider them. But i still am in love with my geforce 4600ti and until i see seanbee's radeon in full action i will be a geforce person. After all ihave been getting great performance form them for all my pc life. Im beginning to think the NVIDIA VS Radeon thing is alot like AMD vs. Pentium. One is good for gaming the other is good for overall. In this case Nvidia is a good overall, but radeon is good for video work and gaming to some parts. Nvidia is like at hte midpoint between the two.
(i goin get cuss for this)

[Skillachi]

Yow people check it out, Its probably new news to me but old news to everybody else, (i dont have tech tv anymore :'( ) but anyway nvidias entry into the 256 mb graphics card market. Seanbee waiting for the Radeon reply ;D
GeForce FX
5900 Ultra
Graphics Core: 256 bit
Memory Interface: 256 bit
Memory Bandwidth: 27.2gb/sec
Fill Rate: 3.6 Billion texels/sec
Vertices/sec. 338 Million
Memory Data Rate: 850 MHz
Pixels per Clock (peak): 8
Textures per Pixel: 16
RAMDACs: 400 MHz

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=fx_5900

Ps: can somebody please tell me what the hell a texel is

[seanbee20]

Chek my post above, i made mentioned about the fx 5900 which i muss confess is causing a stir in the video card market, but also plz read the article about nvidia's new driver set out which seems to be cheating in the benchmarks, the Radeon 9800 Pro also comes in 256, so nvidia doesn't have a monopoly on that, from the research i have done, both cards seem to be neck and neck where nvidia is winning is some games and radeon is winning in some, it is also interesting to add that the geforce seems better able to play DOOM 3 as the card was optimized for that card, while half life 2 was optimized for the radeon, my bet is both are equally awesome cards, but it now comes down to pricing, and anyone who has followed this industry knows who is winning in that category, and yes the war of video cards are a lot like the war of processor, nvidia being intel, and ati being amd, intel and nvidia pricey, ati and amd, priced for the consumer, but yet the underdogs are on the same level if not out performing the top dogs ;D, and that is just my opinion

[Skillachi]

Yeh but as i said before one more overall than the other ;D which is Nvidia being the overall. Thanx for the link seanbee i was trying to search dem website for that but couldnt find it. But wait now, if u can push your 9700 pro to 9800 speeds y i cant do that wid ma 4600ti?

[matronyx]

Yeh but as i said before one more overall than the other ;D which is Nvidia being the overall. Thanx for the link seanbee i was trying to search dem website for that but couldnt find it. But wait now, if u can push your 9700 pro to 9800 speeds y i cant do that wid ma 4600ti?


I pushed my ti4200 to get scores better than a non-ocd ti4600.
I did this by just using the standard MSI utilities that came with the card. I had to bump it down to default though since i do not have proper cooling conditions for this performance.

[seanbee20]

I don't beleive you can, because of how high the fx's are clocked, the 9800 Pro is not that far clocked from a 9700 Pro, i beleive the fx was the first chip to reach a memory speed of 500 DDR which equates to 500 * 2 = 1000.

[seanbee20]

And also, yes you are right is saying that the nvidia is a more overall chip than the radeon, but i am a gamer and for gaming, i prefer the radeon over the geforces.

Also do you do any benchmarking of your video cards using 3dmark2001 or 3dmark03, i am getting a scroe of 15246 with my radeon on 3dmark01 and am getting above 5000 for 3dmark03.

[wheelman]

damn Seanbee20 thats awesome...check out the hall of fam on madonion.com

[seanbee20]

Yeah i have seen it, i think 22,000 + is the highest ever, when i reach those scores, in about a year and a half sadly, but i am cool, i am getting over 350 frames per second on some of the tests, and when playing nba live 2003, i have to turn down my video card, players are moving too quickly ;D

[wheelman]

actually theres a 25214 one there thanks to ATI 9800 pro


here goes


System Configurations
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP
DirectX Version 8.1
Mobo Manufacturer MICRO-STAR INC.
Mobo Model MS-6758
AGP Rates (Current/Available) 8x / 4x 8x
CPU Intel Pentium 4 4188 MHz
FSB 274 MHz
Memory 512 MB
Graphics Chipset ATI RADEON 9800 Series
Driver Name RADEON 9800 PRO
Driver Version 6.14.01.6307
Video Memory 128 MB
Program Version 3DMark2001 SE
Resolution 1024x768 32bit
Texture Format Compressed
FSAA Disabled
Z-Buffer Depth 24bit
Frame Buffer Double
Rendering Pipeline D3D Pure Hardware T&L

Detailed Test Results
3DMark Score 25214 3D marks


Game 1 Car Chase - Low Detail 334.5 FPS
Game 1 Car Chase - High Detail 123.0 FPS
Game 2 Dragothic - Low Detail 476.6 FPS
Game 2 Dragothic - High Detail 256.5 FPS
Game 3 Lobby - Low Detail 318.3 FPS
Game 3 Lobby - High Detail 141.5 FPS
Game 4 Nature 175.0 FPS

[wheelman]

And what interesting to note is that this is the lowest version of the 9800 pro, it has 128Mb as opposed to the 256 version which we all drool over.

[seanbee20]

Here is mine: ;D


System Configuration
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP

DirectX Version 9.0
Mobo Manufacturer Mobo Model nVidia-nForce

AGP Rates (Current/Available) 8x / 4x 8x
CPU AMD Duron(tm) Processor 2310 MHz
FSB 230 MHz
Memory 512 MB
Graphics Chipset ATI RADEON 9700/9500 Series
Driver Name RADEON 9700 PRO
Driver Version 6.14.10.6343
Video Memory 128 MB
Program Version 3DMark2001 SE
Resolution 1024x768 32bit
Texture Format Compressed
FSAA Disabled
Z-Buffer Depth 24bit
Frame Buffer Double
Rendering Pipeline D3D Pure Hardware T&L

Detailed Test Results
3DMark Score 15278 3D marks



Game 1 Car Chase - Low Detail 215.8 FPS
Game 1 Car Chase - High Detail 84.4 FPS
Game 2 Dragothic - Low Detail 261.4 FPS
Game 2 Dragothic - High Detail 151.3 FPS
Game 3 Lobby - Low Detail 207.3 FPS
Game 3 Lobby - High Detail 96.3 FPS
Game 4 Nature 89.6 FPS


Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1145.8 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2667.6 MTexels/s

High Polygon Count (1 light) 69.7 MTriangels/s
High Polygon Count (8 lights) 16.9 MTriangels/s

Environment Bump Mapping 140.4 FPS
DOT3 Bump Mapping 186.2 FPS
Vertex Shader 192.4 FPS
Pixel Shader 280.2 FPS
Advanced Pixel Shader 184.9 FPS
Point Sprite 33.9 MSprites/s

[wheelman]

sweeet ;D

[seanbee20]

Thanks ;D

Skillachi, would love to see what the ti4600 has, do some benchmarks and let me know

[Skillachi]

Yow really this might sound country but i really dont know how to do the benchmark things. Tell me how to do it and i will do it

[seanbee20]

You will have to download a benchmarking software, the most used is 3dmark2001 which can be found at www.futuremark.com, install the software and just click benchmark, and it will run your video card through a series of tests and at the end, show you your score

[Cultus]

I support Nvidia all the way......ATi makes good Video Editing Cards but Nvidia is made for Gaming. I have proven that time and Time again. Nvidia drivers are rock solid stable....unlike ATi. So my money and vote goes to Nvidia. I have a Geforce 4 Ti4600 from MSI and its Damn good with all my Games. My other friends have the 9700 and trust my in some games like UT 2K3, C&C Generals they cannot compare to the Geforce 4. I must say that ATi has made a Damn good comeback in the Graphics Arena. But Nvidia still rules to me......I'm gonna post my benchmark scores soon as I run a new benchmark test. Oh all my benchmark scores are done with my system components running at their native stock speeds.....(cpu/gpu/fsb/memory etc)......I do not do benckmarks in an overclocked state as I just think that's too much stress on my systems components.....remember benchmarking stresses your systems components so be careful when doing it.
Cultus

[seanbee20]

Your brethren mussi have a messed up 9700 or he is still using the drivers that came with the video card , no disrepect but they is no way a geforce can outperform a 9700 in unreal, i have seen about a 1000 comparisons and have never seen a geforce even close to the ati in that game, better you had said a game like serious sam or doom but not unreal, and when you say that nvidia is built for games, i will have to disagree, in my opinion nvidia is by far a more all-around card but ati is built for gaming, try running a geforce with 6x anti-aliasing and 16x anistropic filtering, then you will see the difference, and as far as drivers are concerned, that is a issue of the past, for the past year, ati has made a commitment to delivering quality drivers and delivered they have (remember ati was the first to support direct x 9 - a day after microsoft released it to the public, nvidia only did so with the release of fx, some months after) - well this is a never ending debate, which will always be divided, but i seanbee am willing to back my talk with anybody on this forum, show me a geforce that can outperform my radeon and i will sell it for little or nothing and get a geforce, (except the fx of course), anybody post some benchmarks and will gurantee i can top it, i will even turn down my processor speed and benchmark stock, and in closing remember geforces are my *****es!!!!!

I rest my case

[seanbee20]

Read excerpts from site: http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzQwLDM=

3DMark In-depth:

While the 3DMark benchmark is certainly useful, there is data generated by it that we don't often see. We have taken that data from the full benchmarks of a 9700 Pro and directly compared them to what was the current performance crown holder...the GeForce4 Ti4600.





We see that both cards are CPU limited in more than one benchmark. Then again we also see the 9700 Pro take a very sizeable lead in some of the tests. I think what is going to be most important to folks buying a Radeon 9700 Pro is probably best represented by four benchmarks in our table. Nature, Vertex Shader, Pixel Shader, and Adv Pixel Shader numbers are best going to show us what the 9700 is capable of with tomorrow's games. The 9700 Pro leads the Ti4600 in all the categories we see as important. Now how bout with some AA and AF turned on? Remember that the Ti 4600 does not support AF in D3D applications but we will turn it on in the 9700.




With the 4XAA implemented we see the ATi Radeon 9700 Pro nearly double the Ti 4600 scores that we see as important. The trend continues through the rest of the benchmarks as the resolution is raised.

















The only benchmark portion that the Ti 4600 does ever win above is the Point Sprites and I don't really see that becoming a big issue in any new games to come.

Now onto the good stuff....

COMMENTS AND CONCLUSION

Overall:

Of course all the eye candy in the world is worthless without frame rate and as you can see from our benchmarks the ATi Radeon 9700 Pro can deliver the features that are included. No, you don't have to turn one off to get the other. No, you don't have to turn the resolution down. The feeling I get is that 1280x1024 with 4XAA and 16XAF turned on is the sweet spot for this card. Can you go 1600x1200 with the same features utilize? Yes you can, but then again I feel cheated unless I am getting a frame rate of less 120. If you do nothing but deathmatch online, or only play at low rez, this card is not for you. If you are one of those folks that wants to be immersed in a more realistic virtual gaming world, the ATi Radeon 9700 Pro has your name on it. Just don't forget your wallet.

And speaking more on frame rate and eye candy, I think it is worth it to bring up the AthlonXP 1.53GHz frame rates as well. The scores we got out of that setup simply floored me. I would have not guessed that a Radeon 9700 Pro upgrade could be worth so much on a sub-2GHz system. I can already see a lot of folks going for the video card upgrade with the 9700 and leaving the CPU till later as we start banking on 333MHz bus AthlonXPs showing up.

The ATi Radeon 9700 Pro is the best video card we have ever laid our hands on. ATi is going to be first to market with some very impressive technology and the gamers are sure to take notice. I think the benchmarks at 4XAA/16XAF speak for themselves. The image quality is nothing less than beautiful in both 2D and 3D. Then considering we already know it is going to be a powerhouse card that has the ability to run DOOM]|[ next year and you are almost guaranteed to have a nice long term upgrade for your hard-earned cash. I just don't see how the ATi Radeon 9700 Pro is going to leave you any way but satisfied.


Well and if you want more proof, just do a google search, thousands of benchmarks are online comparing the two cards

[matronyx]

I just don't see how the ATi Radeon 9700 Pro is going to leave you any way but satisfied.

and what say you about the nvidia 5900 Ultra? Does it leave you anything but satisfied?

remember i said that both cards are good, but nvidia is best for linux.

to backup my earlier point about both cards cheating on tests :
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1105259,00.asp

you pick either 5900 Ultra or 9800 Ultra Pro and you will be satisfied in windows.

[seanbee20]

I am not debating whether nvidia is better for linux, i couldn't argue with that at all, what i am arguing is the post before mine stating that nvidia is better for games, which i think is very far fetched, and i know that the 5900 ultra is a good card, but i was making reference to the 9700 Pro which has been out for nearly 6 months now, i haven't even started to emphasize the power of the 9800 Pro, becuase i don't have the card, i am speaking to what i know about, my friend has a ti4600 and i have a 9700 Pro, so i have first hand experience with both and ati RULLLLLLLLEZZZZZZZZ

[Xenocrates]

DUDE! - I didn't even realise that you HAD the card! Damn! :o

[matronyx]

ATI rules?
Are you just ignoring the links i posted or supn?

ATI doesnt even compete in the linux world, so i wouldnt say they rule. Then again, this is just each man's opinion isn't it...

Regardless of who you choose, right now the fact is:
They are neck and neck.

and yeah, i have experience with both card types too. ;D

[seanbee20]

Look how many times i have said that i know nothing about linux and video cards, i could care less who is the fastest or best card for linux, cause which games are you going to play on it, pac man ;D, quite a few if any games can be played on linux, a 8 mb card is sufficient for that, but for windows i say ATI is the best, and yes this is each man's opinion, but i am putting ATI on my shoulders here and am willing to take on all of you nvidiots. Just send dem mek mi kill dem, people dead, mi haffi tun bounti killa inna di forums ;D.

SO bring on the war, and before you say anything about my linux comments, i am very proficient in using it and am also a big unix fan, but common having a high end video card to play games on linux is stupid, linux comes with some pac man looking games.

Awaiting your comments

[Xenocrates]

i could care less who is the fastest or best card for linux, cause which games are you going to play on it, pac man ;D,


- Here, Here! LMAO!



quite a few if any games can be played on linux, a 8 mb card is sufficient for that, but for windows i say ATI is the best


- Here, Here! Great shooting seanbee20! No seriously, matronyx, the dude has a point. Nobody really plays hardcore games on Linux yute. I mean, why?

[matronyx]

SO bring on the war, and before you say anything about my linux comments, i am very proficient in using it and am also a big unix fan, but common having a high end video card to play games on linux is stupid, linux comes with some pac man looking games.

LAWDA MERCI.... a BWOY DED!!!

Are you even alive??!!! When was the last time you played Quake? Yeah, you know... that neat OpenGL game where you run around blasting guys. Did you know that this game runs natively on linux?
Not good enough for you????
How about it's older brothers Q2 and Q3? Yes, they run natively on linux too .... BUB!!!

You say you are [i]proficient in using it[/] ... what is this it you are referring to? Your lil ignorant comment? I was trying to find a better word than ignorant so as not to step too hard on your flapping mouth.... but this is what you call someone who does not know the facts about something but yaps ;D

Saturday night I was busy playing UT2k3 in RH9 and commenting on how wonderful it is going to be when I go to St. Anns bay and compete at *** wipping. In fact, I hope you are there so i can show you the "pac-man" games we currently have runnning on linux.

In the meantime, here is a lil list of games that run on linux:
HalfLife
Quake 1,2,3
UT, UT2k3
Neverwinter Nights
Chromium BSU
MOHAA

The games above will run natively. Many others will run with wine and winex.

I got Maxpayne to run, plus these have all been installed by toher people:
The Sims
Grand Theft Auto III
Soldier of Fortune 2
Black and White
Mortal Kombat IV
Civilisation 3
4x4 Evolution
NB Live

the list goes on ..... oh, how could i forget yours truly
PAC MAN ... bub. ;D

[matronyx]

you want a more complete listing of games that play well in linux???

http://www.transgaming.com/dogamesearch.php?order=working&showall=1

I await your reply ;D

[matronyx]

quite a few if any games can be played on linux, a 8 mb card is sufficient for that

You cannot play the above games with just a 8mb card. This goes for both Linux and Windows environments.
Like i said... time for you to wake up.... ;D

[seanbee20]

LOL - very funny, and thanx for the education, as i as said in my post, i know nothing about linux and video cards, so again thanx for letting me know that not only pac man can play on linux, and yes dog i will be at the LAN party in St. Ann, in fact i will be there from it opens, i had mentioned in another thread that i am not much of a UNREAL person, but i can hold my own, so i have no prob, if i am beaten in that game, at least i will be beaten with the highest frames per second there ;D, i am also bringing all of my benchmarking software with me for you to run with your ***** card, if i am beaten in any benchmark by you, i will be selling my video card for $5000, i am also bringing all of my games, just gonna let them run for you to bask in ati's glory, and of course you know that this is now officially personal, you stated that i don't know the facts, the only fact i need to know is this, your nvidia ti4600 cannot perform or come close to my 9700 Pro, i could be using a pentium 11 600mhz and still have more fps than your ***** *** card, come with a fx ultra and then step to my level

[Cultus]

For the record i was not running my Geforce4 Ti 4600 against an ATi 9700 Pro ok......it was a plain 9700. and I did kick ***. Maybe I won because I was also running a Pentium IV 2.4GHZ and he was running an AMD Athlon 2400XP.....but at the end of the day I kicked ***.
hhhhmmmm why do I see the Nvidia logo when I am loading a game of UT2K3......maybe game developers still write their games optimized for NVidia based chipsets....what do you think?

Anyways Its Just My Opinion
Cultus

[matronyx]

Sorry to burst your bubble seanbee20 but i dont got a ti4600, i got a ti4200. But just to be a good sport, i will let you show up my vid card at the lan-party.
Who know's ... just maybe they will be giving out a trophy for the best video card??? NOT!!!!

[seanbee20]

Cultus, the game logo is just a marketing ploy, maybe nvidia is so desperate, they need to do things like that, ati speaks for itself, and funny, showing your logo on a game (unreal) that doesnot perform well with your card, comparing a ti4600 with a 9700 non pro, still your friend should be winning, but like you said maybe it is processor speed.

matronyx - who gives a f*ck about winning a trophy, the topic was Best darn graphics card and this being the games section, i am assuming it meant, Best darn graphics card for gaming, you shouldn't have told me you have a ti4200, just makes you look more pathetic, and like i said i am willing to take on all of you NVIDIOTS , we will simply settle this at the LAN party, will be running my computer on stock speeds, along with video card.

So in closing, if you do infact win a trophy and good luck to you, i am sure that it will fit perfectly up your ***, and yes the award for best video card goes to, yeah you guessed it seanbee. when i get it i will also shove it up your ***

[finni03]

?????????? :o >:( :'( :-* :-\ ::)
Some one apparently doesn't know that many games like Quake were writen on linux then ported to windows. Linux is always haled as a better game developement platform.

I say prefer Nvidia to ATI any day. In fact my stand for cards are
Nvidia
SB
Lucent
3Com

All of which work out of the box on any system with little or no hassle

[matronyx]

why are you so touchy??
and whats with the ***** thing?
you righted in the head yow??

you just make sure all that talk can be backed up.
i gonna use my ti4200 to shut you up, then we see who looks like an idiot ;D

[wheelman]

Quoting Ja Rule in Fast and the Furious

"Everyones happens to knows a few things. And one of the things everyone knows is its not how you stand by your car, its how you race your car, you better learn that."


WHAT AM I SAYING????

Bring your machine to the LAN Party all you folks who talkin and let that be the deciding factor. Your card might give you a better resolution and all but all thats gonna do is show how your internal organs look in detail when you get fragged. (this is not directed to anyone is particular)

P.S. I just upgraded my Card to a 5200 FX 128MB DDR (Nvidia) from a ATI 32MB DDR radeon LE...Go fig.

[matronyx]

hmmm...maybe seanbee's card will help us afterall.....

maybe we should have a big screen showing the action from his card.

[Cultus]

why are you so touchy??
and whats with the ***** thing?
you righted in the head yow??

you just make sure all that talk can be backed up.
i gonna use my ti4200 to shut you up, then we see who looks like an idiot ;D

I agree with you man.....seanbee is taking this to another level.....seems like a level of violence to me. But anyways I am past that. I just came from Intcomex and Seanbee you need to see my upgraded machine that you'll be running against. (its in the hardware forum "what's inside your box) I upgraded it just to kill your pathetic little ati. Poor thing. And I'll be running everything at stock speeds as well....... Oh some clarifications here.
This Lan Party is it the Lanothan in St. Ann this Saturday.
Will there be parameters setup for the Nvidia vs ati war.
ie) a set resolution for benchmarking FPS in games (eg) 1024 x 768 at 32 Bit
4AAX AntiAliasing
4X Ansitrophic Filtering
8X AGP speed or will we run at 4X
Will we turn on every Graphic detail to maximum in the in game menus...... What is the plan for the day with regards to configuring my machine, so as to put everybody on equal ground......and with the parameters set I hope everybody's machine can attain to the level set.

[seanbee20]

Yow like i said, it is me against the world here, and i am trying to show you guys the light, but like salvation, we sinful beings tend to stray away it, same way most of techjamaica guys are straying from the light (ATI) in the GOSPEL of this thing we call gaming, but enough of all of these talks, just bring any nvidia card mek mi kill it, i am willing to gamble here,, plz bring on the competition.

Awaiting the comments of the brainwashed nvidia faithfuls, i like to call NVIDIOTS

[Cultus]

Hey finally I downloaded the 3DMark 2003 SE benchmarking program. I installed and executed it. It did some freaky stuff to my machine...my precious baby. But at the end I got a score of 21562. Is that good or bad. I'm gonna post the score on a site called madonion.com But right now I'm in the process of overclocking my CPU, RAM, FSB, GPU (yes my Ti4600) and I'm gonna run at 8X AGP instead of 4X and see the score I get at the end. Hopefully I can beat the top score on madonion. Anyays Seanbee I just spent a bundle on this upgrade so make sure I see you at the Lanothan Saturday., because its gonna be a war to remember. While we are at it there after the Nvidia vs ati war .....why not run your amd against my Pentium....? 8)

[seanbee20]

this brethren, think mi a idiot, 21000 what, you must have not benchmarked on default settings, post that url link, and if in fact that is an authentic score then my hats go off to you, that score would be in the top ten, but right now, i find that impossible with a ti4600, but i won't right out disbelief i just need proof.

Nice job

[Cultus]

hehehehahahaha.....don't worry Seanbee you'll see the link on madonion. For the record though my AGP was indeed at 8X and not 4X as I thought. Everything else was at stock speeds. I just got the latest drivers from Nvidia so I'm gonna install it a do another run from the 3DMark app. from your expression Seanbee it sounds as if my score was not bad at all. I must admit to one thing though. I overclocked my Ti4600 and pretended as if I didn't just to see your reaction. My Ti4600 is currently running at a core cpu speed of 400MHZ, and the memory running at 600MHZ. How cool is that. Can your ati do that.......just askin? Hey Sean what you think about my upgrade.? ;D ;D ;D I'm gonna show you that Nvidia is the King of Gaming. and ati is the king of video editing. hehehe :D ;)

[seanbee20]

i couldn't find your post in the hardware section, maybe i wasn't looking carefully, plz state here, and yes if that benchmark is authentic, then that is very very very good, and i would have to give my hats off to you as having the best setup in the country to achieve such a score, but like i said i need proof, that score is too unbelieveable, well yes i can achieve your gpu and memory speeds, i am running at 360 mhz by 620 memory speed, right now you are higher on the core speed, but did you not see any artifacts while benchmarking, just asking?, anyway, very good, i am very impressed

[seanbee20]

Going back to some earlier comments made before i calmed down

Cultus you are right, maybe i am taking this thing too personal but that is just me.

how many times am i going to say that I am not much of a Unreal player, so i know i will get a beating from most of
you guys, if you are as good as you guys say, this thread is not about who is better at gaming, it is about which card is better,
you beating me in Unreal does not mean that your vid card is better than mine - directed to apronyx oh my bad matronyx, that is my goal at the LAN Party to show which card is better, i guess i am an ati sales man.

Right now i just feel like commenting individually to some comments made earlier

devnull - that quote from you i find very appropriate for this, it is not how you stand by your computer, it is what you computer can do (in my words)
and like you said, we can all prove the meat of the matter at the LAN party, one prob. i have though is that you said you went from a
ati 32 radeon LE to a 5200 FX, that is cool, but when you said go fig. you are making it sound as it yes, i swicth becuase ati is ****, well a 32mb radeon le is not a premiere video card
in my book, so you haven't felt any video card power as yet (in terms of ATI), so of course your fx is going to blow the 32mb away, go fig. - nice upgrade though


matronyx - i am telling you straight up, mi have a big problem with you, as far as the big screen goes, you can also
shove that up your ***, i am sure it can fit.

quote:
why are you so touchy??
and whats with the ***** thing?
you righted in the head yow??

you just make sure all that talk can be backed up.
i gonna use my ti4200 to shut you up, then we see who looks like an idiot
end quote

particularly, if i am righted in the head - as far i know i am, but yes i can get a little disturbed mentally now and then
so if short yes i am a crazy f*ck, and about you using your ti4200 to shut me up, i will be bringing some cash with me,
cultus is suggesting a benchmarking contest, if you beat me, i will give you the money to go and buy yourself a better card,
and will take out my video card and destroy it, cause if it is loses to urs, then it is worthless to me.

All you guys simply have to do though is just go to futuremark.com, the creators of the most used benchmarking software, 3dmark2001,
and just click the link to hall of fame, and count the number of records in the top ten with the words nvidia beside them, well i can tell
you - 0, whilst ATI 10 - go figure.


TOP 10 TAKEN FROM FUTUREMARK.com
all belonging to ATI video cards, 9 of which 9800 Pro and the remaining 9700 Pro - i rest my case after this, if you guys cannot see that ATI is by far the better performing video card, then good luck in life.

Users Top 10

1. 25214 **OPPAINTER** Xtremesystems.org 3DTeam

2. 25015 macci - www.akiba.fi - VR-Zone 3DTeam *25k* :)

3. 24644 OoO-DigitalJesus-oOo Crappy ati & Mad Skillz;)

4. 24543 --------->>> Hiwayman <<<----------

5. 24527 **toofast** Improving... :)

6. 24023 <<< JCviggen >>> XtremeSystems.org 3D Team

7. 23617 HoboCrow

8. 23450 My Benchmark

9. 23387 JR67/Gamer67

10. 23114 Holicho

[seanbee20]

Well this is what's in my box.....my pals call it the god machine...


.........P4I875P Canterwood DRAGON 2.....
.........w/ i875P ICH5 Intel Chipset..........

..........Pentium IV 3.06GHZ... 800MHZ FSB...........

1). 1024MB Dual Channel 400MHZ DDR-2 RAM w/ECC
2). Seagate 120 Gig HDD 7200rpm w/ 8mb Buffer
3). Seagate 80 Gig HDD 7200rpm w/ 8mb Buffer
4). Seagate 60 Gig HDD 7200rpm.
5). 48x24x48 Lite-On CDRW
6). 16x Lite-On DVD ROM
7). 52x Lite-On CDROM
. 250 MB Iomega Zip Drive
9). Floppy Drive
10). Geforce 4 Ti 4600 w/128MB DDR RAM (8X AGP)
11). Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 Platinum Edition Sound Card
12). 1 USB2 4 port card (total usb ports 12)
13). 1 Firewire 4 port card
14). 10/100 Intel Lan Cards (two lan cards actually, one for Gotel)
15). 56k v.92 Modem
16). Flash Card Reader
17). 19" Flat Panel Monitor (viewsonic)
18). Dolby Digital 7.1 THX Certified Surround Sound Speakers
...........running Xandros and Windows XP Pro w/SP 2...............


Yow cultus, memba this is one tough setup, hats go off to you, and you say you bought these at intcomez, yu mussi be a rich ni**a, cuase these parts aren't cheap, but sorry your inital stated score of over 22000, i would have to say in my opinion is not possible running the benchmark on default setting meaning just launching the appication and clicking benchmark, no chaning of resolution and nothign like that, in my view you should be getting a score of say 13000+ with this setup, not no 22000+, and that is just my opnion, waiting for you to post a link so you can shut me up, till then stop trying to doctor up a score to send

[Chris]

Hey guys, I hear sey the CMU has heard of a pending gang war in St. Ann on May 31 at a place on Gully Rd. ;D

I guess you guys don't believe in on-board video heh? ;D :-X

[matronyx]

matronyx - i am telling you straight up, mi have a big problem with you, as far as the big screen goes, you can also
shove that up your a**, i am sure it can fit.

ok star...it was just a simple suggestion to line out from your card to show spectators what they would be missing.
You should have interpreted this as a plus for your card but you have your head so way up in the sky you couldnt see this.

It seems you have a bad way of handling other users comments... you keep referring to objects be shoved up some guys *****. Is this a mirror of what you think about from day to day? Why not think a lil more positive for a change.

You keep saying how ATI is best. You use some indiviual score to back up your claim. I think overall Nvidia is best.
I went to futuremark.com and the first thing i notice is the Top Lists which goes a lil supn like this:

1.ATI RADEON 9700/9500 Series
2.NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
3.NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400
4.NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
5.ATI RADEON 8500/9100 Series
6.NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 500
7.NVIDIA GeForce3
8.NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200
9.ATI RADEON 9000
10.NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 460

Nvidia clearly has better products.
I am not a fan about futuremark's scores either... note well what they say here http://futuremark.com/companyinfo/?toplist_chipset_disclaimer


Our performance scores and estimates are as accurate as possible, but are entirely dependent on the accuracy of the results submitted to us. The quality of this data, upon which we rely, is something we cannot control and therefore it may occasionally contain errors.

Please try to reply without thinking about someones *****

[seanbee20]

You are clearly not familiar with this benchmarking thing

"You keep saying how ATI is best. You use some indiviual score to back up your claim. I think overall Nvidia is best.
I went to futuremark.com and the first thing i notice is the Top Lists which goes a lil supn like this:

1.ATI RADEON 9700/9500 Series
2.NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
3.NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400
4.NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
5.ATI RADEON 8500/9100 Series
6.NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 500
7.NVIDIA GeForce3
8.NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200
9.ATI RADEON 9000
10.NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 460"

This is the top ten of user preferneces for video cards, of course nvidia is more used by the general public, you should look at the hall of fame section, that is the information i displayed in my post, not some individual scores i picked up randomly, the hall of fame standings, the top ten highest scores ever recorded, as for my phobia with ***, i can't help it when i am talking to an ***.

Any way brethren, doesn't make sense we kil out our selves on this topic, you are clearly as stubborn as myself and this is going nowhere, best we just do our routines, prepare for the LAN party and plan on having some fun.

Good luck in the tournament, and sorry to anyone i have offended in this thread, i apologize to all, see you guys at the LAN party.

Cultus still awaiting your link, or was your benchmark one of those glitches matronyx refferred to ;D - definately looking forward to seeing the GOD machine, who knows maybe i can dethrone him, later ;)

[Chris]

Ok guys, let's just take this one down a few degrees here. I think this discussion has been overclocked too much and now needs some cooling down 8).

So before we go and say things that will irreversibly damage some of the good that we're trying to accomplish here, let's get back on topic WITHOUT the emotions. Thanks guys :)

Hmmm .... good research project ... the side effects of overclocking too much ;D

[Cultus]

Woooow Hold up Seanbee....my precious mainboard was not purchased at Intcomex.....I bought it online....ok man. I only went to Intcomex to buy the prized Pentium IV 3.06...ok man.....Intcomex does not sell that kind of Soyo ok.....they are 5 steps behind when it comes to mainboards.......The board and RAM was bought online.....hey peeps keep the bedroom fetishes outside of the forum ok.....Lets talk about Graphics Cards here.. ;D

[Cultus]

Hey guys look at the poll figures Nvidia leads the way...while ATi struggles to follow. ;D ;D

[seanbee20]

LOL, my degrees have been turned back down to stock settings (can't saw my computer is);D, i again apologize to all, especially to you matronyx, i am very passionate about topics like this, looking forward to getting frag while still having the highest frames per second, can't wait.

Cultus, i am still waiting - LOL, yu muss tired a mi now

[matronyx]

i understand... it's something that you face everyday. it wouldnt be a forum if there wasnt any flaming. ;D

[seanbee20]

Cultus, sorry about thinking your motherboard was purchased at intcomex, i was wondering about that, well it is in-evitable, you will always have more perons cheering for Nvidia over ATI, i mean come on Nvidia was the king of the hill by way couple of years ago, and ati had so much driver problems, but i am one who is up for change and have changed from a nvidia ti4600 to my current video card and haven't regretted it one bit, besides the card is like a 100 cheaper, so for cost effective persons, who want the fastest gaming video card, look in ATI's direction and cultus, damn you must have spent a bundle, maybe me and you should think about taking out an insurance plan for our computers ;D, but as i said and will continue to say, your proposed benchmarking score is bogus, (hint hint - post the link - i am dying to be shut up)

and as far as the bed room fetishes go, i may be a trysexual - willing to try anything, but anything that involves males and *** is a definate no no, with your specs also, it seems we will have to definately have a cpu benchmark contest, would love to see how my amd performs against a penitum 4 3.06 800mhz, i want to see how badly i am being beaten by if you are beating me at all

matronyx - calling a truce between us, wash away the bad blood, by the way, where r u from and your occupation, and also what type of processor are you running intel or amd, want to know which side i should be on in the tournament ;D

Sean Bee - Messiah to the nvidiots ;D

[Cultus]

LOL, my degrees have been turned back down to stock settings (can't saw my computer is);D, i again apologize to all, especially to you matronyx, i am very passionate about topics like this, looking forward to getting frag while still having the highest frames per second, can't wait.

Cultus, i am still waiting - LOL, yu muss tired a mi now
No Man I aint tried of no-one. This is all for fun right.? I just hope and pray that I see you at the lanothan this Saturday. I'm trying to post my scores but I'm having a problem with Gotel as usual. Their Technician says that they are having some problems with their NAT. So as soon as it's sorted out I'll post it. Hell I can't even use my MSN or Yahoo IM. Ya'll need to see UT2K3 run on this machine, with everything in the in game graphics menu turned up to Highest. It's sweet.......I must honestly say though that the CPU has a lot to do with it., especially with the Physics Detail set to Highest.....

[seanbee20]

Don;t worry about me being at the LAN party i will be in St. Ann from Friday, so i definately there, on the subject of GOTEL, how do the rate the service (sorry about going off topic)

[Cultus]

Lets just put it this way Seanbee...,....Gotel is major ***** all talk and no performance...end of story. I'm going back to Cable& Wireless Internet for now..

[seanbee20]

Damn, and i was thinking of switching - good looking out.

By the way what game titles do you currently have, maybe we can do some file sharing at the LAN party? - i need games like counterstrike, quake, so on, i don't have these, also half life, but i do have the latest - splinter cell, enter the matrix (over-rated), grand theft auto vice city, bloodrayne (harrrrrrrrrrddddddddd piece a game)

[matronyx]

matronyx - calling a truce between us, wash away the bad blood, by the way, where r u from and your occupation, and also what type of processor are you running intel or amd, want to know which side i should be on in the tournament

base : mobay
occupation : programmer
proc: AMD XP2000+

I got this proc when it was top of the line...you know how that story go. ;D

[matronyx]

i got Quake 1,2,3
UT GOTY,2k3
MOHAA
Aquanox (stupid boring game)
and a few others in my pouch.

[seanbee20]

As for me:

Name: Sean
Base: kingston
Occupation: Programmer Analyst
Proc: Barton 3000+ (overclocked to barton 3200+)

Any way i am leaving work now, so won't see any replies from me in a while, wow what a day on the forums

[seanbee20]

Just bring all of them, we can do some file sharing at the party, later

[Cultus]

My Game Library is very huge
1) UT 2K3
2) UT
3) Quake 3 Arena
4) Quake 2
5) Counter Strike
6) Tactical Ops
7) Every Release of the Delta Force Series
8) Return to Castle Wolfenstein
9) Soldier of Fortune 1 & 2 Platinum Edition
10) Thief 1, 2, 3
11) Deux Ex 1 & 2
12) RA 1 & 2
13) C&C Generals
14) Tiberian Sun
15) WarCraft 1, 2, 3
16) Midnight Club 1 & 2
I have lots more games I try to make an image of all the cd's on my machine and carry on Saturday.

[seanbee20]

Extract taken from Techtv.com

"Essentially, the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra focused on the weak spots of its predecessor and is Nvidia's best shot at retaking the performance crown from ATI this year. However, performance is almost secondary when talking about today's games. The flagship cards from Nvidia and ATI are designed for next-generation games that have yet to appear. Until we can pit them against each other using real games that take advantage of the incredible effects made possible with modern shader hardware, were stuck looking at numbers based on turn-of-the-century software."

Techtv which is heavily sponsored by NVIDIA is also stating that ATI hold the performance crown for this year, i know that the 5900 is a very impressive card, and i must admit seems lined up to outperform the 9800 Pro, it has done so with the 128mb, but i am still awaiting benchmarks of the 9800 Pro 256 and the 5900, if anyone has links to a benchmark of the two, plz post it.

Sean Bee

[matronyx]

Use the same link here:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1105259,00.asp

[wheelman]

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDcy

check it!!!

[seanbee20]

Well, with regards to your mail, nvidia, i must sadly say :-[, has the fastest card right now, what i coudn't ascertain was whether the radeon used was the 256 mb version, maybe you can shed some light on that, but i stand by ATI and do beleive that besides the utmost high end of the stick, ATI does beat NVIDIA in other areas of the market, for instance, the Radeon 9500 Pro has been proven to beat the NVIDIA ti4200, the 9700 Pro has been proven to beat the ti4600, and there is also the radeon 8500, 9000 9100 which are all beating the lower end of the nvidia line up, but i must admit, i would love to have the 5900 is my baby now for the upcoming lan party.

[seanbee20]

The link from hardocp is kinda showing an alomst equal performance between the two cards, right now i am a little indecisive as to which is faster, they are both good cards, and i don't think that anyone here cannot appreciate the work that ATI has doing over the past two years, i mean they came from nothing to performance giants now in the video card industry and this has been beneficial to all gamers, as competition always leads to better service and lower cost - cheers to ATI for their continued efforts to becoming better

[wheelman]

as matronyx is always saying they're neck and neck...end of story

[seanbee20]

Extract from hardocp's site:

It almost seems like in every benchmark the cards go back and forth, dancing around each other. One map will run one card faster, another map will run the other one. One resolution shows a card faster, another resolution shows the other fast. It makes deciding which is the fastest card a very hard decision. Here we have an 8 pipeline card clocked at 380MHz beating in some cases a 4 pipeline card clocked at 450MHz with a lot of bandwidth. It appears in those situations that the 9800 Pro 256MB card just has a better architecture with faster shader speed. Then on the other side we do have the GeForceFX 5900 Ultra winning in some DX8 tests as well. One thing at least is certain, both cards offer awesome performance with AA/AF at high resolutions, and the 256MB of RAM does make a difference once you overcome CPU bottlenecks. If you only play games at 1024x768 and have an aging CPU, a card of these calibers will probably not help you much. But if you run at high resolutions with AA and have a fast CPU, a 256MB card can help stabilize FPS at those resolutions.

It seems i will have to check my online source to check prices for any of these cards, i am sensing an upgrade here, maybe buy a raid controller for my motherboard and raid two of my hard drives and upgrade my video card to one of these, any one interested in buying my video card - 9700 Pro

[wheelman]

Well I just got my fx 5200 card over the weekend and it running sweet, not plannign to sell that anytime soon.

[seanbee20]

How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking?

[matronyx]

;D

Don't worry, next month ATI will come out with a card a lil faster.
Then the two months later, bam Nvidia will reply... then...

.... you get the drift.... ?

In the meantime, the card you got can be used at the upcoming land party to show what we are all missing ;D

[wheelman]

8g's

[seanbee20]

Damn these prices are too much for me, i will wait till the cards a little cheaper.


Specifications:
Chipset:ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
Memory:256MB DDR RAM
Bus:AGP 8X
256-bit memory interface
First to fully support DirectX® 9.0 and the latest OpenGL® functionality
New SMARTSHADER 2.1 technology allows users to experience complex, movie-quality effects in next-generation 3D games and applications
128-bit floating-point color precision allows for a greater range of colors and brightness
Ports: VGA + DVI + S-Video
Retail Box (see pictures for details) -OEM


Item: N82E16814102280 Model# RADEON 9800PRO 256M
Price: $525.00 Shipping: Special Free FedEx Saver Shipping
Rating:
(avg rating out of 7 voters) Stock: YES


Can't seem to find any retailler selling the 5900, but here is the price i found for 5800 non ultra

Leadtek NV30 Geforce FX5800 8XAGP 128MB VGA, DVI, & TV-Out RETAIL
Specifications:
Chipset: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800
Memory: 128 DDR 128-bit 4ns
Bus: 8X AGP
RAMDAC: 400MHz, .13 Micro
Max Resolution: 2048x1536 @ 75/75/60Hz
Max DVI Res: 1600x1200
Max TV-Out Res: 1024x768
Support VGA, DVI & TV-Out.
Retail Box (see Pictures)


Item: N82E16814122171 Model# A300 FX5800 TD128
Price: $350.00 Shipping: Special Free FedEx Saver Shipping
Rating:
(avg rating out of 2 voters) Stock: YES

[matronyx]

Specifications:
Chipset: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 Ultra
Memory: 256 DDR
Bus: 8X AGP
RAMDAC: 400MHz, .13 Micro
Max Resolution: upt 2048x1536@85 HzHz
Max DVI Res: > 1600x1200
Max TV-Out Res: 1024x768
Support VGA, DVI & TV-Out.

Price : about the as ATI's 9800 Pro

[seanbee20]

Cool thanx, check out the max resolution on these babies, 2048x1536, imagine playing a game on that resolution, damn

[matronyx]

don't forget running at 85hz....
talk about peripheral vision!!!

Any bwoy try fi sneek up pon mi DED!! Si im from 1 mile round di corna!! ;D

[seanbee20]

SWEEEEEEET ;D

[Cultus]

You peeps making me feel envious star.......I just have a Ti4600.....now it feels like I have crap. hhmmm maybe when the prices go down I'll buy a 5900fx....I hope to see these big boys perform at the lan party against my little 4600., so I can really make a good comparison.

[seanbee20]

Yeah i know what you mean, me just buying my 9700 Pro and am already heavily searching for the cheapest 9800 Pro 256 online, i will be going abroad in August, so i think i will buy one then ;D, would love to see a game run on those resolutions on a 19in - SWEEEEEEET

[matronyx]

I just read an article that cleared NVidia from the scandal about driver cheats:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1115365,00.asp

[seanbee20]

XBOX 2 will be runned using ATI cards, ;D, just goes to show that everybody is logging on to the power of ATI.

http://spong.com/index.asp?art=5053

[matronyx]

XBOX 2 will be runned using ATI cards, ;D, just goes to show that everybody is logging on to the power of ATI.

http://spong.com/index.asp?art=5053


hmmmm..... i think it's best to wait before they come out with the official news on this one seanbee

http://www.xbreporter.com/xbox_2_news.php
the above link shows : Recent news stories report that Microsoft may design their own chips for the Xbox 2 design. This means that the manufacturers of the current Xbox console may be out of the picture. For the Xbox 1, NVidia had won the bid to supply the graphics chips for the Xbox, and Intel won the bidding war against the CPU manufacturer AMD.

and Nvidia may not even want to supply the chips for XBox2....
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7579 :)