LAN Party in mobay in the making

[OSS]

i was thinking that there is no fun playing over the internet.
i am trying to have persons participate voluntarily to help me out in
creatng a once a week lanparty and install fest.
Persons would need to carry their own pc!!!

This means i would need help to provide a place which is easily
accessed by persons in mobay (safe and maybe downtown) desks,chairs,electricity and hopefully a wireless adsl.

Anyone who are intrested & can really can help out with any suggestion/help, contact me via IM/email and tell me your plans.

If all this is set in motion all person who attend will be ask to pay a fee
for any expenses.
All this maybe non profit, but if person/persons invest, this might be profitable organisation to get back the money which was spent on this project. :eusa_pray
i just hope i can get the assistance of our fellow techja members and from GAJ...... :eusa_danc

[Nastrodamus]

I must say I am impressed by your move. We will see what happens. Sometimes ideals are not achieved over night.

[OSS]

i got one volunteer :)

[OSS]

If any one can get a place in the town area of montego bay, that would be a great start.

[twistakid]

well yo i jus moved to back to mobay and i'm definately interested so give me a holla, as far as helpin out i don't know how much help i can be but i will try

[Nastrodamus]

Great Twistakid... will keep in touch.

[twistakid]

i dont mean to sound like a hound or anything like that but i would definately want to hear wat's goin on for the lan party,
wats location prospects, charge if any, wah i can do to help get this goin

[luckyd2]

Sound like a wicked plan! would love to see it go down. since i live in kingston i may not participate but all the best till we can get the arena to host the biggest one ever.


Hey try to get Air Jamaica in on this, you may have foreign techies wanting to participate.

[pcchick]

Hey try to get Air Jamaica in on this, you may have foreign techies wanting to participate. :eusa_danc :eusa_danc :eusa_booh

[OSS]

well i would be looking for sponsorship from large companies in return i would publiize thier companies!!!

[OSS]

there is a place at st james street(digicel up stairs). it is ideal for this project, in that there will be alot of walking traffic :)
all i need right now is some sponsor ship and persons willing to invest in this...

The main thing need right now is some ply wood and couple 2b4 for the desks, some chairs, around 15 computers(for costomers), 2 adsl modem(can get the second one later while the business progresses).
the main purpose for this project is to have a hardcore pc gaming facility and in the process make some money to maintain and pay back the persons who invested in it.
montego bay techies will be swarming this area for high speed internet,downloads and we will also have costomer data storage for persons who dont have a pc and love computers.
i have arose the intrest of some friends of mind(carpenters,electricians and netwrking personels) who is willing to help me out for FREE!!!!!!
PLEASE HELP ME OUT!!!!

[Nastrodamus]

there is a place at st james street(digicel up stairs). it is ideal for this project, in that there will be alot of walking traffic :)
all i need right now is some sponsor ship and persons willing to invest in this...

The main thing need right now is some ply wood and couple 2b4 for the desks, some chairs, around 15 computers(for costomers), 2 adsl modem(can get the second one later while the business progresses).
the main purpose for this project is to have a hardcore pc gaming facility and in the process make some money to maintain and pay back the persons who invested in it.
montego bay techies will be swarming this area for high speed internet,downloads and we will also have costomer data storage for persons who dont have a pc and love computers.
i have arose the intrest of some friends of mind(carpenters,electricians and netwrking personels) who is willing to help me out for FREE!!!!!!
PLEASE HELP ME OUT!!!!

Interesting stance OSS. Admirable to some extent. Yet there is a lot that you need to learn. Tell you what, you should have my personal phone number. Call me and let me show you a thing and two (2).

[Ropy]

Wahhh... show him di check book Nas. :icon_mrgr While you're at it, send me a page too. ;)

[OSS]

I know that it will take lot of dough to go through with it, but i am wiling to take on that challenge. all i need is some serious ppl and some friends who see my dream in having this project alive with the investment of the persons willing to participate :eusa_clap :eusa_danc :eusa_pray

[crosswire]

Mi sure nuff game head ina Mobay :eusa_shif and that is good for business. Fewer with the occasional need to download, like XPSP2, still kinda good. Now what rate u going charge dem and how long dem would stay would haffe balance the $$$ spent on every aspect of the business.

Maybe u could do a poll on the mobay techies here on:
1. hrs spent on gaming
2. type of game genre
3. how much $ they would spend
4. how often they need huge downloads

[OSS]

well, when i start see serious ppl intrested in this project and it is off its feet then i will just do post that poll(great idea crosswire) :eusa_danc ;) :D

[Virus]

charge ppl a flat rate like c&w gprs...worst thing when you want talk to ppl (msn) and you haffi a watch the clock...

but nuff ppl woulda abuse that so maybe setup couple access points so ppl can use they laptops (rent them a wireless card, if they don't own one)

Don't mek it a membership thing...jamaicans like the option to come and go as they please..

Why sponsorhip? what about a loan... are banks that reluctant to lending ppl money

[OSS]

charge ppl a flat rate like c&w gprs...worst thing when you want talk to ppl (msn) and you haffi a watch the clock...

but nuff ppl woulda abuse that so maybe setup couple access points so ppl can use they laptops (rent them a wireless card, if they don't own one)

Don't mek it a membership thing...jamaicans like the option to come and go as they please..

Why sponsorhip? what about a loan... are banks that reluctant to lending ppl money
loans from a bank will be a no no for me cus the intrest rate alone would have kill the business, unless there is another way :eusa_thin

if we have 15 computers and we have the whole of mobay want to come and use the pc, a flat wont be very good cus ppl would stay whole day(i know i would if it were alot of flat rate places in mobay) ;)
bringing pc will be alowed ..... they will pay a flat rate which will include the current,net time and for the network(games and file transfer ).
maybe i will through in a special thing cus of tech ja's "Tech items & services: Buy | Sell | Trade ", in that we can make trading in montego bay much easier and selling also, we might charge a fee for safe keeping and transaction for the person's merchandise :eusa_clap

[Virus]

if we have 15 computers and we have the whole of mobay want to come and use the pc
That would mean say business booming..

[OSS]

i was just making a example what to be ;)

[crosswire]

bringing pc will be alowed ..... they will pay a flat rate which will include the current,net time and for the network(games and file transfer ).Maybe I would bring my PC. :icon_cool Kill a game or two while i downloading

[Virus]

When the highway done build, and if by that time mi have a car, mi can drive down pon the weekend play two game.... although mobay far still..

What kinda game unno play down deh...???

[digitalchef]

fi real, we kingstonians couldn't link up and reach down there. i know i'm up for that.

[OSS]

Right now ll i need is a boost to start this busineess...(lottto)
so anyone can give any ideas if i dont have the money to start it :eusa_thin

[kilaj1]

Boss man, like the ambition you showing, but as Nastro say, you have a lot to learn...you and I know...there a lot of tings to consider. Yeah Mobay need a Central LAN gaming place, but first thing...you know how much rent that that building charge? If it’s the same building that I'm thinking....why you think the upstairs been empty since it open. This is by far no a discouragement...as a matter a fact...when you have time...link me on IM

As for your money issue...first thing u need to do is get a JOB!! :)
Seriously, interest rates on bank loans only get bad when you pay them late (well depends on which back) Credit unions are usually the best choice. Of cource you will need a job to take out any type of loan....

And one thing more...Having the LAN party only once a week would not workout, when you think about it, that would mean you would only have it open for what 4-5 days out of the month...how much money can you pull in in that time?

[Virus]

so you think he should keep it like 4 days a week??

[kilaj1]

How about every day...lets do a few estmates per month...

ADSL $9000 +
Light $9000 + (15 pc and, hopefully, AC)
rent >$20000

if you go through the bank and depending on how much you take and have to put back..
$10,000 +
And of cource the miscellaneous stuff...

So you have to make at least 40K a month...dont get me worng, it would be extreamly good if a business that just started out pulled in that kinda money, it just depends on how you play your "cards". So you tell me can running it 1-4 times a week pull in that kinda cash? will that be the only thing the center will be used for?

[kilaj1]

BTW OSS, I'm hearing a lot of request from you... and there are a lot of expreienced people here on TechJA, but what exactly you bringing to the table other than the vision? You see, there are a lot of people that are serious about starting something like this but most dont want to venture into it with excess amount of people; cause you know that some, as soon as them see that its getting ruff, them jump ship.

[Virus]

its all about advertising... if you dont advertise noone will know about OSS Lan party..

[OSS]

it wont be only a lan cafe...
i will sell pc's,pc items,music,programs,games,internet time,lan gaming time,personal pc usage(bring ur own pc),personal download requests,techja sell,buy and trading point(only for techja members),monthly fee for personal login on pc's(for those who dont have a pc),internet US ordering service and gaming servers for those who want to play all night long with either 56kps or dsl.

there will be only 2 persons in charge ...
the accontant and the general manager.
then the share holders who will be paid back their money if they invested.
also the persons who sell there items through our store will be taxed(second handitems and new stuff from salesmen/women.

[Zard]

Plan carefully and don't bite off more than you can chew.

my ideas are simple.

Make the place as comfortable as posible.

Try to think of ways to attract both sexes.

Mek sure yuh have lots of variety in games.

Mek sure the average or casual gamer will feel welcome and not feel out of place with all the game demigods going around having them for lunch.

It could double as a link up spot with a lil music and drinks etc. Lots a times me and friends go on beach trip or visit family and want somewhere to kill a few afternoon to evening hours.


Zard

[kilaj1]

it wont be only a lan cafe...
i will sell pc's,pc items,music,programs,games,internet time,lan gaming time,personal pc usage(bring ur own pc),personal download requests,techja sell,buy and trading point(only for techja members),monthly fee for personal login on pc's(for those who dont have a pc),internet US ordering service and gaming servers for those who want to play all night long with either 56kps or dsl.

there will be only 2 persons in charge ...
the accontant and the general manager.
then the share holders who will be paid back their money if they invested.
also the persons who sell there items through our store will be taxed(second handitems and new stuff from salesmen/women.

I really have to applaud your enthusiasm, but let me cut to the chase...you are asking a lot from everyone, but you have nothing down solid; how much research have you done to start this company? Do you have a business plan to present to any potential investors? (mouth can only get you so far).

I totally agree with Zard on all his points, you where saying earlier that you have carpenters, electricians and networking personals ready to come help you, that’s good, but anyone can open put together two piece of board and call it a desk (no dis to your carpenter). the point I'm trying to make is that not just any furniture can go into your office space, I must admit that was one of the things I regretted about my place. This goes for the network wiring too. I cant tell you how unattractive and unwelcoming places like I Cafes can be with wiring all over the place, anyway....

Have you also though about the tax you would have to be paying? I mean its not like the American IRS but still you can get your self into some serious debt with taxes alone.

I can go on and on about this till the point at which it would sound very negative and discouraging to you OSS, which is not what I want to do, but if you could formulate a business plan, with all the needed info, and research, you would be taken far more seriously that you can imagine.

[OSS]

i will be creating a powerpoint slide and put a link for the download here later next week or so to how much it will cost to how we can create this project to a reality!!!!

[kilaj1]

Well I was thing of a more fomal business plan...but if you think you can put together a PP presentation go ahead look forward to seeing it. A few things you will need to put in there are, a general overview of the business, sales forcast, your goals, your target audience, etc.

[OSS]

well it will take some time but as soon as i am finish u guys will get it
p.s looking forward to u kalj1,ropya nd nastro profile on it though ;)

[Chris]

Take kilaj's suggestions very seriously OSS, they're sound enough. My simple suggestion to you for people to buy into this business would be to re-consider your signature ... "O.S.S Organism Skilled In Sabatage" isn't quite investor-friendly ;)

[NeGatiVe]

Another idea is just to start a new gaming/tech/computing association, have monthly/ bi-monthly meetings COLLECT DUES and that could be used to subsidize the monthly lan parties... these meetings could also be merged with the certification study groups that everyone talks about in some way, shape or form... just a thought...

[OSS]

ok i will change my signature ;)

[OSS]

here is the presentation !!!
sorry bout dat try this one!!!

[Virus]

Another idea is just to start a new gaming/tech/computing association, have monthly/ bi-monthly meetings COLLECT DUES and that could be used to subsidize the monthly lan parties
Nice idea negative... don't forget prizes (good prizes) the type of prizes that will bring ppl from kingston.. free harddrives, phones, watever else..

[Virus]

HEY - The attachment is no longer available.
BIg disrespect dat..

[OSS]

try it this time guys!!!

[Nastrodamus]

Another idea is just to start a new gaming/tech/computing association, have monthly/ bi-monthly meetings COLLECT DUES and that could be used to subsidize the monthly lan parties... these meetings could also be merged with the certification study groups that everyone talks about in some way, shape or form... just a thought...

Already being done and is apart of a current business initiative ;)

[Virus]

Funding - Miscellaneous ;)
Software Trading???

[Nastrodamus]

OSS I need to be frank with you about several things..... Ok

Again, I admire your tenacity in getting certain things into play seeing that some persons (inc. myself) has 'appeared' to have lost sight things started.

Lets me bring some things to light.

1. What is your business strategy? That is if I give you $500,000 tomorrow what would be your line of attach?

2. What would be the main focus of the 'business' ? Is it enough to maintain self sustainence? If so how do you plan to acheive this?

3. For the various services that you plan to offer, are you capable of providing the services yourself or use additional man power? If needed then where will the man power come from and can you pay for it?

4. From your presentations you have provided estimates; have you started to collect invoices or even prices for the items that you wish to use; computers with your required specs, servers, etc?

5. On your presentation there are certain services that you intend to offer that may be legally qfuestionable and as such I would prepared to adequately substantiate it inclusion on the business outline. Eg. Software Trading.


I asked you to meet with me that I could show you are copy of my former business plan and outline with encompasses serveral things that you have mentioned. It also outlines strategies that you may consider using.


I have no problem showing you different ways you can use to achieve you goal. However you are very aware of my limits when it comes to our 'relations' .

My honest opinion (several people going to think I am crazy for saying this):
I would give you the IT arm of my company to solely run, in 2-4 years time. You have great heart, determination, willingness-(when you see fit), and direction - somewhat.

Yet there are several things that you need to 'out grow' in order for that to happen. I think that your energy for your plans can bring you good fortune. But right now I doubt it. Unless you have someone else that you plan to controll the business for you.

OSS there are several things about running a business that you need to know before jumping into it else you not be as profitable as you hope to be.

If you are still interested I will try to help you. (Kilaj you must be laughing silly )


Facts is Facts. I see you are a little brother you nags the hell out of me any time you get the chance. I also see you as some one who can do what you put your mind to. Right now you just need to get the know how. Maybe as you get the know how your maturity will increase as well....


My honest opinion - still love you as a little brother.

Nastro.

[kilaj1]

I just saw your presentation, interesting, a few things that kinda sparked my attention, as well as Virus. First and foremost, based on the presentation, I would not want to invest in this venture. As I said before, if you really want people to take you and your business seriously, this business plan is your ticket. A well written business plan can convince any Investor, Bank or private, to invest.

Now I see that you spent a lot of time on this presentation, with all the special effects and all, but as Nastro said that’s not enough. and thoughs quotes your asking for furniture and servers and RENT!! where u planning to go pay $100,000 in rent a month? A business plan should not be about your personal thoughts but on the business as a whole. No offence but investors don’t really care why your starting this business, they want to know that they can make there money.

And now the obvious thing that should be on everyone’s mind...what you talking about Software Trading??! :eusa_eh: :eusa_naug
Two words sir...Straight Prison... http://bsa.org/
Go to it and learn....

I don’t want to put any pressure on you boss, but let see if we can get you on the right foot somewhat...


Why should I, or anyone invest in your business?

O yeah and Nastro...I was laughing...hard :D

[Virus]

This thread is a good one after it all i should make this a PDF file...
neway if you go to the bank who would be the person to present an idea to

[kilaj1]

Well I dont know about "Banks" but the credit union I went to, I went to the manager with my business plan.

One thing I want to point out to you OSS, I am willing to help also, but...I need to know how serious you are...action :eusa_wall speak louder than words! :eusa_shhh

One more thing I forgot to aks you about too OSS, where you expecting to buy 15- 20 PC for 200,000? before they brought back the tax maybe... but now? :eusa_snoo plus these are going to be gaming PCs?

[kilaj1]

Here's what I would like to see in a LAN party oriented business, and this is just the core components:

Asus A7N8X Deluxe nVidia Socket A ATX Motherboard
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=25208&CatId=1377

AMD Athlon XP2700
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=461257&CatId=1374

Seagate / 80GB / 7200 / 8MB / SATA-150 / Hard Drive
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=576587&CatId=1384

Kingston Dual Channel 512MB PC2700 DDR 333MHz Memory
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=235824&CatId=1386

XFX nVidia GeForce FX 5600 Video Card 256DDR
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=608888&CatId=1380

thats $492.95 USD
roughly
$29577.00
x 15PC
--------------
$443,655.00

[Virus]

Does that include tax

[Zard]

Looks link this venture going to need over a million or close to a million and nned to be turning over about $200, 000 a month by my estimates


watching this venture and hope it develops.

If this was in the Kingston and St andrew area it would be a lil easier.

kilaj1 specs are perfect

Zard

[Virus]

Well like kila said its not gonna be easy, but im willing to put some of my time into this, i know networking (structured cabling and getting my network+ soon), but becuz your in mobay and im in kingston.....

but it seem as if business hard fi start much more.. manage

[OSS]

it is a very long time since i have seen kilaj1 participaed so much in a furom of mine which mean it must be very very intresting to him.

Unless you have someone else that you plan to controll the business for you.well i have being thinking so hard that i have come up with 2 persons whom i will ask to help me out to complete this task of mine "no man is a island no man stands alone" so i am asking kilaj1 and nastro to help me out to get this project started.the next person who sparked this idea to me was nigelt, i know he might be willing to help me out also.
i am asking u 2 guys to be online tonite on ur IM at 9:00pm if it is posible so i can speak to u guys....
thx for the interest.. :)

[kilaj1]

Does that include tax
Nope thus proving my point.

It would need at least 1.5 mil, to get it up and running efficiently. Its not enough to get money to cover the initial cost, but you should have enough left over to sustain your biz for at least 3-5 months, not including revenue (not profits)

[Nastrodamus]

I could structure it to run for under a Mil.....

Thats what I do for a living.

[kilaj1]

How you break that down?
I mean is that possible, The PCs alone would be at least 600K

[kilaj1]

Okay here it is. This is the outline I used to create my Business plan, I still have it...somewhere....

Mind you my bis, plan was about 35-40 pages long.

Executive Summary
Objectives
Mission
Keys to Success
Risks
Company Summary
Services
Market Analysis Summary
Strategy and Implementation Summary
Management Summary
Financial Plan

What is a Business Plan?
A business plan is any plan that works for a business to look ahead, allocate resources, focus on key points, and prepare for problems and opportunities. Unfortunately, many people think of business plans only for starting a new business or applying for business loans. But they are also vital for running a business, whether or not the business needs new loans or new investments. Businesses need plans to optimize growth and development according to priorities.

Further break down

Executive Summary

This is a summary of the main highlights of your plan. This summary is the doorway to the rest of the plan. Get it right or your target readers will go no further. As a generaly the first paragraph should include:


Business name

Business location

What product or service you sell

Purpose of the plan

And then of cource there is the Marketing Plan...

Company Description: Legal establishment, history, start-up plans, etc.
Product or Service: Describe what you’re selling. Focus on customer benefits.
Market Analysis: You need to know your market, customer needs, where they are, how to reach them, etc.
Strategy and Implementation: Be specific. Include management responsibilities with dates and budgets. Make sure you can track results.
Management Team: Describe the organization and the key management team members.
Financial Analysis: Make sure to include at the very least your projected Profit and Loss and Cash Flow tables.


Executive Summary
Situation Analysis
Marketing Strategy
Financials, Budgets, and Forecasts
Controls

[Nastrodamus]

hhhmmm we giving online business lesson - in the game thread!!! :D

How come no MODs not cussing us out yet?

Again....In effort not to go off tangent any more....OSS you can contact me or KJ in person.

[kilaj1]

well we are talking about a LAN party center...so its streching it but...okay okay its far off... :eusa_doh:

Or just move it to the general diss forum

[OSS]

how can i get in contact with u guys in person...
it will have to be a sunday or saturday.well mek sure u guys is online at 9pm to uno IM MESSENGERS :eusa_pray

[kilaj1]

not today I leave work 530

[OSS]

go on to ur IM now!!

[OSS]

in the presentation there were ways in which to raise money for this project ...
i am asking anyone who can help, to help me out.

[kilaj1]

You know thats about the 6th time you posted that request. I told you...if you want people to take this seriously you have to be serious about your approch, simply asking for it is not goign to get you anywhere.

[Greatis]

no I think the discussion can continue interms of the business plan. Albeit in the wrong forum but very informative. Continue pls.

[Greatis]

OSS get serious and listen to Nastro and Kilaj they have the knowledge and experience.

[nigelt]

Anything happening with regards to the LAN party?

[Powpow]

Yeah, i'm also quite interested in this Lan Cafe and i'm sure there are lots
more people also interested to see this business spring and florish over time.
It will take some time to organize, but i'm sure that with the right contacts
and all the help he can get; (cause he'll need it) OSS's cafe can become a possibility. :)

[Nastrodamus]

Tell you what call me at 1:00 p.m. Tomorrow January 8, 2004.

A group of us going to meet tomorrow (a regular practice). Drop me a Pm. for my number.

BTW: This is for persons in Montego Bay

[NeGatiVe]

Shouldnt this thread be locked, being that the """mastermind""" behind it was banned... btw why was he banned? I'm not concerned... just curious.

[Virus]

I don't think they gonna give an answer to that. Techja not gonna bring these things to light.

[little warchief]

Shouldnt this thread be locked, being that the """mastermind""" behind it was banned... btw why was he banned? I'm not concerned... just curious.


yeah fa real anybody know why he was banned???

[little warchief]

i like his avatar...i'm taking it. i am sure he wouldn't mind.

[NeGatiVe]

I don't think they gonna give an answer to that. Techja not gonna bring these things to light.


Hmmm... really now, i dont think chris would be letting go of any trade secrets in saying how OSS moved from Techie to Banned... it may even be a funny story.




i like his avatar...i'm taking it. i am sure he wouldn't mind.

Thats a little disturbing... little warchief = OSS, doesnt compute

[little warchief]

Hmmm... really now, i dont think chris would be letting go of any trade secrets in saying how OSS moved from Techie to Banned... it may even be a funny story.





Thats a little disturbing... little warchief = OSS, doesnt compute


whatever man...i like the avatar i took and i gonna modify it. what done has been done oh and i not worrying about your li'l, little warchief=OSS doesnt computer formula... I'll just modify that toooo :eusa_danc

[Arch_Angel]

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