The Tech of: TRANSFORMERS

[BlackCryptoKnight]

The best special effects ever? :sold:

When it revs up at the box office this Fourth of July, Michael Bay's $150 million adaptation of the legendary 1980s cartoon and toy series will include nearly 50 so-called transformations. Hand-rendered metallic uncorkings of real-life cars, trucks and helicopters represented uncharted territory for the gooey-alien experts at ILM, each transformation taking six months to imagine and each re-engineering the way digital Hollywood does computer graphics imagery (CGI).

Read more ... (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4218826.html?page=1)

Drool drool drool. :eusa_droo

[kilaj1]

they must have been working on this for years, modeling, animation/rendering on one chracter would take days even with top of the line render farms.

[Arch_Angel]

No link to read more BCK? I want more more MORE!!! :D

Always interested to see how they created these movies.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

No link to read more BCK? I want more more MORE!!! :D

Always interested to see how they created these movies.

:eusa_doh: I thought I had included the link. My bad. It is fixed now.:eusa_shif

[Aldayne]

Transformers is so cool. I can't wait to see the movie. Great special effects.

[desolate666]

have seen it and it was awesome :sold:definately top notch plus the script was intact :eusa_clapand the SFX was top of the line :eusa_danc:eusa_dancand i would recommend that every techie go see it and the comedy just great:eusa_shhh:eusa_shhh

[Arch_Angel]

have seen it and it was awesome :sold:definately top notch plus the script was intact :eusa_clapand the SFX was top of the line :eusa_danc:eusa_dancand i would recommend that every techie go see it and the comedy just great:eusa_thin Since it isn't in Jamaican theaters as yet, and I know you're in Jamaica (since we saw you at the linkup last week) how did you get to watch it? Then again, maybe you shouldn't disclose that information on a public forum. :eusa_whis

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

I love that article - thanks so much.
From the 1st glimpse of the trailer i was wondering HOW THE HELL them do it.
Bwoy two (2) words:
280-terabyte

[Skillachi]

My transformers movie excitement level has risen 250% i have moved from just plane excited to "i feel like camping out in front of carib to make sure i watch it first" excited. This article ... mad

[jerry]

I thought this would have been released this week, whats happening!!!! More and likely its coming next week. Definitely a must see, one of the best movies of the year.

[Arch_Angel]

I thought this would have been released this week, whats happening!!!! More and likely its coming next week. Definitely a must see, one of the best movies of the year.Heard the movie was delayed in getting to Jamaica. It SHOULD have been shown this week, but you know how these things go...

[mobile_fan_2k5]

i bet the apps and machines used to pump such rendeering cost millions.

ILM really scored a big project and it lasted for 2 yrs. Thats the kinda thing i want to do in the future.

ILM is a george lucas company.

CHECK THIS OUT (http://ilm.com/inproduction.html)

[crac16]

Watched it...good movie although I would have preferred if they made it a bit darker, but I understand that they want to keep along the lines of the transformers being good and friendly.

[Aldayne]

Decepticons aren't good and friendly. Some hardcore transformers fans are already complaining that the new robot designs are too different from the original 80s design.

[Skillachi]

Personally i think the designs are right on par with the original designs. I havent watched the movie as yet but from the shots i've seen i can easily establish that they are good. The problem with these people is that they are trying to compare a cartoon to the real thing, if they wanted a cartoon movie then they can just watch the 1986 one and stop complaining. This is supposed to be based on real life not a cartoon.

And where the designs are different, we have to remember a few things

1) this movie was sponsored by gm so everything had to be gm. Please remember though transformers fans, there was a version of bumblebee where he was a mustang (or something to that sort) so its not off

2) optimus as a firetruck or just a big red truck might have been pretty boring compared to this optimus with some flare.

[kilaj1]

just saw this last night and I was a bit disappointed...mainly because i got a seat in the second row of the theater but other than that the fighting scenes where moving way too fast...dont know if it was because i was so close but it actually hurt my eyes to try keep up with it. The CG was top notch though.


I will wait till it reach JA before I start commenting on specific things.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Here's some more on the tech of Transformers (http://movies.about.com/od/transformers/a/transfrmsf62007.htm) :sold:

[MaxFactor1]

That movie wont get a dime from me... it pains me to see what it turned out to be.... a darn chevy commercial.... americans need to get over their stupid selfs.... Bumble Bee... as the name suggest is a bug..... get it... a Volks Wagon... a dont care how much money gmc paid them.... so what if one German car is in it.... stupid stupid americans.... let them shove transformers the movie all the way up their (_ _ _ ) put whatever you want in that slot....

All these cartoon movie folks do is upset my f'ing childhood.... Megatron was a dam Gun man.... wtf is he now.... a part of the bruticus saga.... now thats a megabot that rocks even for a decepticon... and of course the only megabot to form from 4 bots not 5 as the usual...

2) optimus as a firetruck or just a big red truck might have been pretty boring compared to this optimus with some flare.

Now listen this I never had JBC in the country.... He was a Kenworth/Peterbilt (check spelling) flat face if you know anything about tractor heads....

Bumble bee was never a mustang... he can dual form to a hover craft in the form like a plus.... +

It's as you say too full of **** to put a German car in the movie.....

[Aldayne]

Business is business in show business. Personally, I just care about the entertainment value and special effects.

[Aldayne]

I agree that GM milking the whole marketing aspect of the transformers movie as seen in the below pic but i can't hold that against them. The movie is still going to be good.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/Aldayne/transformers.jpg

[Nestersan]

It's as you say too full of **** to put a German car in the movie.....

MAX, dem man here is hurry come up transformers fan...

Revenge of Bruticus 1 and 2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7565678351660140497&q=bruticus+transformers&total=38&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/url?docid=9030458934046304309&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=bruticus%2Btransformers&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D fVKijhqVKDU&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D9030458934046304309% 26q%3Dbruticus%2Btransformers%26total%3D38%26start %3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex %3D1&usg=AL29H20EsNI0mPNrKbAJmnSAkNyoeZHQdQ

[Aldayne]

Holy crap, what a blast from the past.

[Nestersan]

Sorry to kidnap thread...but that episode SELL OFF !!!.

Prime and Megatron a fight pon same side, Megatron buss him big machine pon nuff man.

Megatron rinse off Starscream face with the "big mout" Fusion Cannon

Shockwave shows buss him gun and all combiner drop a groun'.

[slickrik]

That movie wont get a dime from me... it pains me to see what it turned out to be.... a darn chevy commercial.... americans need to get over their stupid selfs.... Bumble Bee... as the name suggest is a bug..... get it... a Volks Wagon... a dont care how much money gmc paid them.... so what if one German car is in it.... stupid stupid americans.... let them shove transformers the movie all the way up their (_ _ _ ) put whatever you want in that slot....

All these cartoon movie folks do is upset my f'ing childhood.... Megatron was a dam Gun man.... wtf is he now.... a part of the bruticus saga.... now thats a megabot that rocks even for a decepticon... and of course the only megabot to form from 4 bots not 5 as the usual...



Now listen this I never had JBC in the country.... He was a Kenworth/Peterbilt (check spelling) flat face if you know anything about tractor heads....

Bumble bee was never a mustang... he can dual form to a hover craft in the form like a plus.... +

It's as you say too full of **** to put a German car in the movie.....

well said max...................

[Skillachi]

That movie wont get a dime from me... it pains me to see what it turned out to be.... a darn chevy commercial.... americans need to get over their stupid selfs.... Bumble Bee... as the name suggest is a bug..... get it... a Volks Wagon... a dont care how much money gmc paid them.... so what if one German car is in it.... stupid stupid americans.... let them shove transformers the movie all the way up their (_ _ _ ) put whatever you want in that slot....

All these cartoon movie folks do is upset my f'ing childhood.... Megatron was a dam Gun man.... wtf is he now.... a part of the bruticus saga.... now thats a megabot that rocks even for a decepticon... and of course the only megabot to form from 4 bots not 5 as the usual...



Now listen this I never had JBC in the country.... He was a Kenworth/Peterbilt (check spelling) flat face if you know anything about tractor heads....

Bumble bee was never a mustang... he can dual form to a hover craft in the form like a plus.... +

It's as you say too full of **** to put a German car in the movie.....

if u have a problem then find the money and sponsor the next transformers movie then just a small matter of 200 million dollars... wats that? you dont have it? well shut up and enjoy what u have.

Yes we all know wat optimus was, but you are missing my point. I said if he was just this big red truck then it would've probably seemed a little boring, the flare and fire etc added to the recreation of optimus into a new excited *** kicker

And next thing if u read the transformers comics (yes there was one) you would know that bumblebee died twice. First time G. I. Joe people killed him by mistake and revived him as gold bug which was a stronger version of himself and he died again and was revived (dont remember his name though) and he was the shape of a mustang or something to that extent, i dont remember exactly wat car he was but i know he wasnt a bug.

[Nestersan]

I beg to Differ...Bumblebee was always a VW, except for Hasbro did another version which is mash-up of various small cars, according to wiki.

I saw the Goldbug episode on TV. The Hate Plague Series.

BTW:

JUST WHAT THE **** IS THIS ??

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/35/Transformersanimated.jpg/405px-Transformersanimated.jpg



THIS IS THE ORIGINAL GUN PAN HAND, TRANSFORM INNA GUN, DED AND COME BACK AS GUN BADMAN:
http://www.seibertron.com/images/comic/dw_poster_megatron1.jpg



A WHA DAT: ??

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Megatronmovie.jpg/523px-Megatronmovie.jpg

[mobile_fan_2k5]

Nestersan for once i agree with you the designs of the original and the newer one have no similar look. But sometimes newre things are better.

[Aldayne]

They simply evolved i guess. Living up to the name 'transformers'.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Based on what the articles were saying, I'm thinking that the difficulty and logistics of pulling off the transformations in the movie may have influenced the look of this version of the transformers.

[Nestersan]

WHEN MI BUSS MI GUN, ALL THE SUN GO DUNG

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_gun-lg-4.jpg
Lots of big weapon with huge guns, to give Megatron his Gun pon hand'

[mobile_fan_2k5]

Based on what the articles were saying, I'm thinking that the difficulty and logistics of pulling off the transformations in the movie may have influenced the look of this version of the transformers.


Cryto dude is right, the rendeerin and all that has a big hand in how the outcome is gonna be. I definately watch this wednesday at odeon in mandeville. Wednesday is release date. YEAHHHHH..............:D

[Aldayne]

Well, the megatron gun on arm is kinda trademark still, they should have at least tried to make it work. I doubt it would have given them transformation difficulties, they just wanted to unveil this monstrosity of a megatron.

Still looking forward to the movie though.

[madrass]

yes the whole CG was good, but at the same time we all wanted to see a damn good movie yes the producers tried their best, hats off to them. But when people going to say that a man must shut up and watch the movie and dont complain cause him nuh ave the millions to make it. lawd yu sound like dem RAW BORN AMERICA. To me at the end of the day it was just GMC doing a big commerical. Lots of corporate company sponsor movies and dem nuh nuff up dem self suh. dem stray away from the ORIGINAL concept of transformers. But hey go see the movie its entertaining, nothing to die over.:icon_lol:

[nuhsenutten]

easy nester .......calm down

[Electrotechnic]

Still must see it.... don't care. I watched transformers... even beast wars and was still entertained.. so a new movie twist will do just fine. Besides... I hear the movie sell awf :sold:

[Skillachi]

I beg to Differ...Bumblebee was always a VW, except for Hasbro did another version which is mash-up of various small cars, according to wiki.

I saw the Goldbug episode on TV. The Hate Plague Series.

BTW:

JUST WHAT THE **** IS THIS ??



The poster is from one of the european remakes of the transformers. Or at least, i'll say i remember seeing those drawings in a UK transformers comic.
You have to remember nester, transformers was so popular almost every hemisphere had its own version of the transformers. Hence y there are like 25 (maybe more or less) versions of the transformers, and in every one characters were drawn and named differently, the only characters who maintained their names for MOST of the changes was optimus and megatron. If u were to check out different versions of the transformers u would see bumblebee as a different car and i think it was also european. If techjamaica was around about 11 years ago then i would've been able to find a pic.

I do agree with you about the megatron transforming into a gun thing... that would've made it boss, cuz in the movie from what i can see they have him transforming into a jet... and thats starscreams job... btw is starscream in the movie?

[Nestersan]

Dude I read, American Transformers Comics, had them ALL, English Transformer comics, where they go hella damage and got killed, anime, CG, all...
The Movie Megatron is the biggest load of @@$@$%#@% I have ever seen, bar NONE.

No, that poster is from the NEW WB Cartoon series, debuting this year.
Just like the #@$%@#$ up Batman, with the "Hipper" Version, which everyone hates, this is a "hipper, trendier" Transformers.

I curse MBA's to eternal suffering...

[maf3000]

Megatron is still a gun in the movie. He some kind of cybertronian flying gun. In the first fight with Optimus Prime he transform into a gun. Megatron looks like that because he is in his cybertronian mode.

BEST SUMMER MOVIE:sold: $155,405,412 in 1 week and that means sequel.:D

[Nestersan]

Megatron is still a gun in the movie. He some kind of cybertronian flying gun. In the first fight with Optimus Prime he transform into a gun. Megatron looks like that because he is in his cybertronian mode.

BEST SUMMER MOVIE:sold: $155,405,412 in 1 week and that means sequel.:D

Nope, he looks that throughout...

I have the game of the movie with the renders...

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5747/transformers2007vv6.jpg

[Gillion]

Nester... Megatron was naked and frozen on earth for thousands of years.

When he crashed on earth looking for the all-spark there was no form of technology here to scan and modify himself to become and he would not have stayed on earth either if he had found the all-spark at that time.

Prime on the other hand scanned a truck when he got out of his pod.

If you remember you G1 theory classes from every Saturday afternoon;

The transformers crashed on earth thousands of years before man evolved.

Some time in the future Teletram one (the autobot mainframe) was activated and it began to revived the transformers that were in stasis / unconscious.

During the reviving process, teletram one sent out a small probe to scan the environment and found 1980s hardware / technology and thus modified the auto-bot transformer bodies to be able to "disguise themselves" as regular vehicles.

Megatron is a military / police grade citizen of cybertron as are all Decepticons ... Autobots are civilians.

As far as I see it, Megatrons look fits the plot as he is the FIRST one here on earth and the only one who did not get a chance to scan something to disguise himself as... however... he is still the gun of doom.

[maf3000]

Nope, he looks that throughout...

I have the game of the movie with the renders...

I watched the movie i don't know about the game.

This is the scene i was talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uIvnJ3rOKM

[Aldayne]

.. btw is starscream in the movie?

Yeah, Starscream is in the movie and he's the one who transforms into a jet in the movie.

EDIT: AND APPARENTLY MEGATRON IS A JET AS WELL. How come?

[MaxFactor1]

Look man from G1 to G2 to Beast Wars to Beast Machines..... it has a story line...they all run in perfect sequence... ending with Prime and Megatron merging in the matrix...


This movie swings everybody wide.... XMen makes it look cheesy and not even they got story lines right but at least people was people... yu never si cyclops shoot water out his eyes or colossus turning into wood...

[Nestersan]

I watched the movie i don't know about the game.

This is the scene i was talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uIvnJ3rOKM

MAF...you poor fella, did you ever watch transformers ??

GUN PON HAN', NOT baby GUN TRANSFORM FROM nowhere, plus HE LOOKS JUST LIKE I SHOWED...

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Some people thought it better they did this
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e95/zRoToLeRaNcE/TechJamaica/TransformersSpecialEffects.gif

But seriously - I don't like how Megatron look. It don't really matter to me how bumble bee look.
Comic storylines do not make box office hits so it have to change up.
Hopefully they allow for a sequel or 2.

Next Monday i check it out.

[teensicle]

LOL LOL LOL LOL. Yea i would do that 2 seems cool!

[dam21]

i watch it man it's everthing u want in a movie hardcore tech love on comedy man it the movie of the summer

[Electrotechnic]

Stop with the spoilers damn you!

[blairafon]

I just come from Carib.....Transformers.....a di BOSS! Thats it. craaazy, well sort out. hats off to Michael Bay, another great film.

[psilos]

ILM are the greatest!! Michael Bay is the action king, GREAT MOVIE people its a must see. For my 80s brothers and sisters just gwaan singing that theme song, yes I know I've got you humming "The Transformers, more than meets the eye."

Hey zRo, sequel has been confirmed for 2009. Aldayne I will answer the Megatron question after more people have seen it or if you can't wait you know where to search.

[Nestersan]

I am watching the Whole series from the 80's as we speak.. From "More than meets the Eye" to the "Rebirth"

Rot in hell Garbage disposal Megatron....

btw, game Megatron uses original voice Actor....

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

I have the game and haven't even started playing it.
Trying ti finish Test Drive Unlimited...not a good game but just simply/easy to play.

[Nestersan]

I have the game and haven't even started playing it.
Trying ti finish Test Drive Unlimited...not a good game but just simply/easy to play.

Test Drive had so much potential, but Control is #%@#$%.

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Test Drive had so much potential, but Control is #%@#$%.
It's HUGE though...since it's an open world - TONS of tracks - rarely repeating. Controls can work it (PS2) - HATE ENGINE SOUNDS!!
Why do they give u the option of moving the camera all over the place? Is not a Third-Person game we playing.

It have nuff features which not going to use. It's ok...just boring.
What the hell happened to the story line like the first Test Drive games?

Ok - i think i'm hijacking this thread.

Going to start Transformers game this weekend....wait...i can't start it until i watch the movie :eusa_wall

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Some people thought it better they did this
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e95/zRoToLeRaNcE/TechJamaica/TransformersSpecialEffects.gif

But seriously - I don't like how Megatron look. It don't really matter to me how bumble bee look.
Comic storylines do not make box office hits so it have to change up.
Hopefully they allow for a sequel or 2.

Next Monday i check it out.

LoL

Some people taking this thing too seriously. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akNJ6S2UqsE) But this real transformer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STQ3nhXuuEM) is pretty kewl.

[Electrotechnic]

Movie sold awf... it was great. So they took liberties with looks and story line... it was till a good...great installment. And Optimus Prime sounded like Optimus... yay!


I only knew four transformers....Optimus, Mega, Starscream and Bumblebee. The other were just add on to me.

[MaxFactor1]

Well mi watch it a while ago... and mi nuh really dig it... the first thing BMW (Jazz) needs to sue for letting ther vehicle get torn to shreds like that.... it is so convenient that all the GMC vehicles were left back...

"the all spark"... please sparks are a product of the Matrix... i guess the writer was going yeah yeah blah blah blah when hasbro was giving them the history....

whats with a police car (automobile) doing on team evil.... explain it... mi head tuff.... i can see with Menasor but what...

the helicopter and tank is really a part of bruticus... so i thought it would have been better to bring in icecream left and right flank men.... the black and blue jet.... thunder cracker and the other one....

the part where bumble bee gets captured.... i dunno... what.... was that part made to just kill time or fill a gap....

that scorpion i guess just evolved to suit the conditions of the dessert....


A part 2 yall say.... what will be the plot.... i am thinking real hard... epic movie part 2 would do a good job on this film.... like some people transforming into couches.... and a couch potato cracking a fart on it...

[Bl@ze]

aight mi just done watch it to...... 1 minute ago to be exact........


it was better than i expected

[Nestersan]

MAx n Bl@ze hush...

Mi still a watch Galvatron a buss shot inna skin and Quintession a run up and down. Metroplex and Trypticon war bout 4 time so far...
People no stop ded...
Starscream get back him body, Transformers Sell Off !!!

SW33T !!!

[GPRS Internet]

Well this movie to me has a serious flaw :thumbsdown:

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

...
whats with a police car (automobile) doing on team evil.... explain it... mi head tuff.... i can see with Menasor but what...


As stated on Transformer's Websit (http://www.transformersmovie.com)e
"Barricade is a born hunter. On Cybertron, he made his name tracking and destroying fleeing AutoBots,. On Earth, he took the form of a police car to subvert the public's trust in authority."

[Electrotechnic]

Yes it had serious flaws... and some of the acting was horrible... but it was loads of fun and a blockbuster none the less. The DVD edition should sell like hot bread! And Jazz was not a BMW Max. Pay attention. It was a Pontiac Solstice which is still a GM. Giant Killer Robots for the WIN!!!
by Unca Xeno

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/xenocrates/Pics/optimusposter.jpghttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/xenocrates/Pics/megatronposter.jpg
Production by: Dreamworks SKG in association with Hasbro™
Distributed by: Paramount Pictures
Directed by: Michael Bay
Producer: Stephen Spielburg
Rating: PG-13 (A-16 in Jamaica) for sustained violence and sexual references.

I can sum up this film in one word: WOAH!

Yessir! I hereby certify that after 18 years of Giant Killer Robot dogma, that this movie was AMAZING!!! It was fantastic! It's easily the most fun movie I've been to since Matrix: Reloaded (2003). That's a movie that I'd gladly go see again and again and again. So without further adieu, allow me delve right into the review:

Giant Killer Robots

Ever since Hasbro released those awesome toys in 1984 (if you were a whipper snapper then, you'd understand what I mean) I've been fascinated with the engineering feat that describes the possibility of one machine disguising itself as another. The cartoon series which started in 1984 is still in my opinion, the best GKR themed cartoon of them all. So Voltron, Orbots, Gobots, Centurion, Robotech and G-Force (Yes I said it!) - should all go EAT THEIR HEARTS OUT! With that said, this movie would not be complete without some kid shouting "Mom! Cool!" - and yes, it happens. Oh for the Joy of Man!

There is a new semi-organic design work on the transformers, giving them added dimension and complexity as would be for real life machines. The used universe texture mapping on the CG models is also pretty impressive - showing that the robots have experienced many battles. This was a welcome change for me - even though many fan boys complained about the obvious departure from boxy panel-centric robots of the cartoons & comics. Admittedly, the panel-ware robots of the cartoons would not look anywhere near as cool as the thousand-parts-shifting-per-second super-shape shifting machines featured here. The transformations are noticeably more complex and thus (at least from an engineering standpoint) much cooler looking. I am grateful to the designers for making this bold move. THAT was HOT!

The Comedy Element

Make no mistake. This is a solid, mega-blockbuster, popcorn munching actioner. The human element is played up substantially enough to give the film dimension and relevance. What was especially fun about this film is the comedy element between robots and their human friends. Everything from Bumblebee selecting a tune to fit the moment, to Sam hiding Giant robots in his backyard were all played up for great laughs - and that's not even accounting for the other human to human comedy elements that make the dialogue so interesting and absolutely hilarious. But I can safely guarantee that you will laugh and laugh HARD. The comedy dies down towards the second act and climax of the film to give a nice balance of gravity to the 40 minute action fest that follows. Great stuff!

The Special Effects

Let me tell you, the "WOAH!" factor is on steroids here. This movie shall be nominated for Academy awards in Art Direction. If it wins, (which is highly likely) then the award will be well deserved. The sFx in this film are easily Industrial Light & Magic's crowning achievement. The George Lucas company which was started to do the special effects on Star Wars has truly come into its own as the best special effects company on Earth. The audience cheered wildly everytime a transformation occurred. The sheer complexity of the transformations were the penultimate fanboy gleefest - as apparently no expense was spared to make them happen.

There were at least 50 transformations in all (I counted 48) with lots of hyperactivity including charging, jumping, dodging, rolling, firing and leaping robots doing transformations in mid air while giving chase in some cases. One especially awesome transformation sequence occurred when Barricade (which transforms into a police car) jumped into the air and transformed while giving chase after Sam and Bumblebee. Yet another is the massive transformation sequence of the autobots mid-chase after a decepticon envoy attacked them in the middle of a crowded street in downtown California. The effects are MASSIVE, incredibly realistic (kudos to brilliant lighting on the CG models!) and intense. The effects are intense enough to warrant repeat viewings. This is one movie that will have fanboys grinning like chestshire cats for days on end.

The Action Set Pieces

See stuff go BOOM! Michael Bay spared NO expense in making MASSIVE 'sploshuns. Everything explodes in this movie. If it doesn't explode, it gets tossed, crushed, blown to bits and kibble or is simply decimated by giant killer robots. If you're a Bad Boys II fan, you will be in nirvana for the entire duration of this 2 hour & 20 minute CG actionfest. It's like it never stops. The frenetic pacing of the film attests to Michael Bay's tenacity for big loud visuals. A lot of the time it's over-the-top - which attests to the fact that the film doesn't take itself too seriously. That's great. Otherwise the suspension of belief factor would never work.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/xenocrates/Pics/summer2007_transformers_robots.jpg
Optimus Prime vs. Bonecrusher


There are a number of set pieces to lookout for. Many of them are car chase sequences with robots transforming in the middle of a high speed chase. The highway set pieces are massive and impressive. Optimus Prime vs. Bonecrusher (which transforms into an army issue excavator) was particularly awesome (see pic above). One especially fantastic sequence occurs in midair - high above the city where Decepticon Starscream takes on an entire fleet of F-22 Raptors. MAN That was fantastic! If you thought that was impressive, the other set pieces make those look like child's play. The action was INTENSE. Great stuff!

The Actors

The theme of the movie is about a young boy and his car - an age old theme that has been exploited tirelessly for the last 60+ years in film. One remembers all of the HERBIE movies of the 1960's. Never before has it been used to such effectiveness however. With that said, Shia LaBeouf has found his own. Shia is absolutely BRILLIANT in this film. The mere fact that he was ad libbing most of his lines have earned him even greater respect for his craft - especially at his age!

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LaBeouf es LaBomb en La Pelicula

Even though Megan Fox served for little more than being effectively the ultimate fanboy hottie (hot chic standing over hot car, with exposed flat tummy and fantastic posterior and legs 2 boot) and thus served for little more than eye candy in the movie, I still enjoyed the fact that she was just there. She did get some delectably dumb blonde archetype lines which fit her character well when they first discovered Bumblebee - but that's about it. It was only too obvious that she was eye candy and nothing more - and for that much, I'm grateful. Cuz she can't act to save her life. I'm sure there's a poster of her somewhere prostrating all fetch like on Bumblebee. (*fires up Google Images*). Ahh yes, here we are:

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Dumb Blonde Brunette Goodness - yummy...


The other actors do only moderately well - but don't expect any Academy Award™ level performances here. John Voight and Tyrese Gibbs deliver that sense of urgency and gravity in the scenes where they are most necessary. I couldn't help but think however that Tyrese upstaged his co-star Josh Duhamel as he had a lot of the better lines. But the best lines in the film can be heard from Tyrese and Shia.

One addition I'm most grateful for is the voice of Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime. For those of you who don't know him, Peter Cullen was the original voice actor who played Optimus Prime in the G1 and G2 cartoons. It was amazing to hear his voice again after 18 years.

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Peter Cullen: Voice of the original Optimus Prime


The Production Value

With the legendary Stephen Spielburg helming the production design, you can expect that the film will look, sound, and feel expensive. Massive set pieces, extensive sets, great music (especially the theme featured during the autobots' first appearance) all showed off the fact that his Dreamworks company spared no expense at making this film the monster blockbuster it is.

The mere fact that the film has sold out for the last 4 days since opening is a testament to its appeal. I strongly recommend this to all. Be careful taking the kids. There is some mild cussing here 'n there. Don't get up when the credits roll - there's more content to come (complete with a wide open insinuation that part 2 is on the way).

Overall rating: ****½ / 5 - Excellent!

[Electrotechnic]

And now for the nitpicking and grimes which we all saw... but yet still managed to enjoy the movie.

TRANSFORMERS (2007)

Here are my nitpicks for this movie:

Giant Killer Rubbish - While pretty much all of the transformers were spot on, the mixture of G1 Autobots (eg. Bumblebee & Ironhide) with G3 decepticons (eg. Barricade & Blackout) with a few G1 decepticons (like Starscream and Bonecrusher tossed into the mix) showed that the film makers were just going for bombastic value and not staying true to the source material. I suppose that's ok - since none of the robots transform into what the source material dictated anyway. Bonecrusher (the excavator) is a constructicon - a part of a much bigger robot called Devastator - yet we don't see the other robots of his kin here: but nevermind. Further departures were evident in Megatron's design (eww? Isn't Megatron a Gun?) Optimus Prime's impatience with some human characters (wtf?) and Jazz... That autobot does some strange things in this movie (including nothing) - I shall say no more on that. Watch and see for yourself.


Impossible Physics? - How does a 20-ft giant killer robot lean on a house without crushing it, or hide under a bridge without being seen by choppers in pursuit, or fall from a 70 storey building with a human on his shoulder without crushing him? How does Blackout get called in Qatar from California and still reach there in time for the final show down at the end of the film? Isn't Iran like 7000 miles away on the other side of the Earth? If Blackout wiped out an entire military base in the beginning of the film, how does he get toppled by one soldier toting an rpg? Precision shot? That's bulltish. At the army base, they were tossing everything including the kitchen sink at that bad boy, and still they barely scratched him. But ok... I guess he needed to be dead by the time the credits rolled, and Michael Bay couldn't figure out how to kill him off. Right... cheap shot.


Giant Killer Robots should STFU - Megatron's dialogue was so contrived that it felt just as corny as it did in 1984. What a waste of $500,000 and the voice of brilliant Austrailian actor Hugo Weaving (who you saw as Agent Smith in The Matrix trilogy). Jazz should never have had any lines in the whole movie. Dear God... I just kept wishing they would kill him off or something. Ratchet's commentary on Sam's affection could have been edited out. That line served no useful purpose whatsoever - save for the lame attempt at comedy. It just felt so out of place and unnecessary. In fact, a lot of the lines for the autobots seem incredibly cliché - indicative of old war movies. "But we can't leave him behind!" "We should go on and finish our mission - He would've wanted it that way." "He's a brave soldier - he will be missed" blah, blah, blah... :rolleyes:


Megan Fox - I may like beautiful women, but dumb blondes brunettes annoy me to tears. I kept wishing Shia would bone the lass for great justice. She's ridiculously hot (for a brunette anyway), but she can't act to save the universe. As such, she served for nothing more than for making Shia and Bumblebee look good. Well done Megan! She should stick to playing obnoxious b!tches in teen movies though. Where's Lindsay Lohan @ anyways? Lindsay would SO knock this one out of the park.


The Longest Advertisement EVER - I'm sure I'm not the only person who noticed it, but even though GMC sponsored the cars in the film, there were moments that you got the distinct impression that this movie was nothing more than a 2 hour 20 minute ad for the Naval forces and GMC. One of the most obvious moments is where we see IronHide transform for the very first time. The GMC logo is surrepticiously the last component that assembles itself on the front grille. The other autobots cleverly go window shopping at a GMC car show room for ideas of what to transform into. How convenient. Four of the vehicles in the film are GMC issue! The 2007 GMC Camaro is not even STREET LEGAL - so where does Bumblebee get the opportunity to scan one for assimilation? There are only four of those cars available in the WORLD! Furthermore, F-22 Raptors are NOT yet deployed for military service. So how come so many of them are out in the field in this movie? wtf? :eusa_eh:

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F-22 Raptor



Computers - It'll probably never happen, but apparently, people in movies don't use Windows or any other operating system we know of (even though they use brand name computers we recognize). And why are all the actors punching away at their keyboards? Doesn't anyone use a mouse anymore? Furthermore, when will Hollywood learn that hackers don't use graphics workstations? I mean for crying out loud... :rolleyes:


Frenetic Action Sequences - Keep your eyes peeled. Some of the fight sequences are so fast and furious that you eyes won't be able to track what's going on. A lot of it flashes by in a blur and seems to be the result of clumsy camera work and poor cinematography before the CG was added in.


The ending - I will leave this up to you guys to decide, but something seemed a tad off about the ending. It was lacking... something. :eusa_thin


Compositing Errors - Some of the special effects between humans and transformers fell apart due to lighting problems. If you look closely at that scene where Sam was talking to Prime at his bedroom window, you'll see that the compositing overlay became partially visible as a feint blue texture over the existing picture. You could very clearly see where the real imagery ends and the CG begins. I don't think that was supposed to happen. Furthermore in some fight sequences at the final showdown, you could see where there was some clumsy inconsistency between the giant killer robots and the people running in between them. Sometimes you'd see a man (apparently) get crushed, and literally walk right (through?) the robot. LOL!


Headless Chickens? - The extras running and screaming didn't seem to have been able to discern where the robots really were. You could tell from how they were running that they really knew that there was nothing there. Some of them kept running INTO or THROUGH a robot instead of AWAY or AROUND them. LOL! The assistant directors should be fired for that!


The Beagle - The Beagle that was sent to Mars to try and discover life did not have a rover. So I dunno where they got that from.


Scratched or new? - When Bumblebee approximates the 2007 GMC Camaro, even when he transforms back into robot form, the parts of the camaro that are visible on him still look like the beat up old 1976 one. I notice the same thing on the other transformers. Their robot form shows scratched paint work etc. but the vehicle forms look crisp and brand new. What gives? Does the paint work transform too? LOL


When they came after Sam and Mikaela under the Bridge, and Bumblebee saved them from falling, why didn't Bumblebee just transform and whisk them off? They'd never have captured him in the first place. Silly wabbit wobot. :rolleyes:


How come the allspark only seems to make decepticons? It transformed that Nokia cellphone into an evil crab robot type thingie... LOL! If that were the case, how does it make Autobots? I guess I'll need to wait for part 2 to answer that.

[GPRS Internet]

My main dislike is .. they fight sceens are not easy to follow, i cant see whats going on :eusa_doh:

[Bl@ze]

MAx n Bl@ze hush...

Mi still a watch Galvatron a buss shot inna skin and Quintession a run up and down. Metroplex and Trypticon war bout 4 time so far...
People no stop ded...
Starscream get back him body, Transformers Sell Off !!!

SW33T !!!


dwl.............. aight. bossie

now u talking ......... mi just kinnda diassapointed it not true to the original....... but i guess ppl need to make money still......... as i said it was better than I expected

anyway goodies for u rtransformers lovers......


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[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Watch it last night at 5:05pm - Great Movie.
What are people talking about fast action sequences? I could clearly see everything that was happening and they bullet timed anything that had something you didn't want to miss.

I love transforming sound effect - i need that in wav format to put on phone, when windows starting up - when i open an application - everything. It just tuff. I hated when they would transform and not use the sound effect.

There are some corny bits in this movie though - like when Optimus was at the Observatory AND at the beginning of the last action (fight) sequence with the girl and sam.

And that girl...LAWD!....horribly actor! She sees a Transformer for the first time and she isn't even shocked or afraid or anything. She just blank...no emotion. If that was her breaking movie - she only going to get into other movies for her looks.

Going back to the TECH nature of the show
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simply beautiful. The transformations were great and the robots were fluid. You could see all their little parts and everything. The CG was good and there was rarely any flaws that could be picked up by majority of viewers.

Great Movie - would watch it again BUT wish it didn't have the corny lines and dumb brunette.

[Bl@ze]

she is not dumb and emotionless..... she learnt action fron steven segal..., oho wait that is dumb & emotionless

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

she is not dumb and emotionless..... she learnt action fron steven segal..., oho wait that is dumb & emotionless
Siegal is the BOSS!
"You can't hurt me - DIE!" lol :icon_roll

For those who want to know why they did some things in the movie

Trivia for Transformers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/trivia)
Producer Don Murphy decided, after listening to feedback from Transformers fans, to use the voices from the "Transformers" (1984) (and its spin-off The Transformers: The Movie (1986)). Veteran voice actors Peter Cullen and Frank Welker, who provided the voices for the iconic Transformer leaders Optimus Prime (Cullen) and Megatron (Welker), were auditioned personally by director Michael Bay, who feared that their aged voices would be noticeable. Cullen was confirmed to reprise his role, but Welker's voice had aged too much and besides didn't suit Megatron's new alien look, and so Hugo Weaving took the role of Megatron. However, Welker reprises his role as Megatron in Transformers: The Game (2007) (VG).

"Transformers" was shipped to theaters on seven reels in two separate cases. The second case contained reels four through seven and was locked with a master-lock combination four-digit lock. The combination to this lock was director Michael Bay's birthday, 0217 or February 17th.

Bumblebee is a 1974 Chevrolet Camaro and reforms into the new 2009 concept Camaro.

For the scene with Scorponok bursting out from the sand and attacking the soldiers, the effect was achieved by detonating primer cord under the sand. The explosions would be in close proximity and very dangerous to the actors in the scene so before the scene was filmed, Michael Bay told the actors to run and keep running no matter what happens or else they could seriously be injured or even worse, killed. As a result, the look of panic on the actors' faces as they flee from Scorponok in this scene is 100% genuine.

# To prepare for his role as Sam Witwicky, Shia LeBouf worked out five days a week for three months and gained 25 pounds of muscle, but he realized during shooting that Sam required agility rather than strength.

To prepare for her role as Mikaela Banes, Megan Fox gained ten pounds of muscle during filming due to the physicality of her role.
She had 10 extra lbs - MY GOD! - What a travesty!!

Producer/writer Tom DeSanto originally intended eight Transformers on each side to appear in the film; the Autobots would comprise Optimus Prime, Ironhide, Jazz, Prowl, Ratchet, Wheeljack and Bumblebee; and the Decepticons to comprise Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Ravage, Laserbeak, Rumble, Skywarp and Shockwave. In the event, only seven of those Transformers (five Autobots and two Decepticons) made it into the film.

And more information on:
Goofs of Transformers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/goofs)
Memorable Quotes of Transformers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/quotes)

[slickrik]

she learnt action fron steven segal..., oho wait that is dumb & emotionless

Segal a di 'REAL' boss....careful bl@ze..

[Nestersan]

Boss of the old, infirm, stupid, moronic, can't act , retarded, idiotic, punkish, horrid, dvd must make coasters then i have to agree...

[slickrik]

Boss of the old, infirm, stupid, moronic, can't act , retarded, idiotic, punkish, horrid, dvd must make coasters then i have to agree...

oh...ok...i see u've seen all his movies.....still u be careful too nester.

[GPRS Internet]

Still think the actions sceens are too fast .. and hard to follow :thumbsdown: and Bumble bee should have been a Buggy. thats trademark :eusa_wall

The movie is LAME .. i not even craving for a Part 2

[Electrotechnic]

U wah two kik inna yu bubble goose bout lame. :)

[GPRS Internet]

U wah two kik inna yu bubble goose bout lame. :)

Yeah my bad ... it was VERY LAME :thumbsdown:

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

You guys must have sat too close to the screen - it wasn't that fast?
You should probably try playing some FPS and you'll experience true fast action.

Bumble Bee should have been a bug - straight!

Lame show - huh...???...you need to take your Valium.

[slickrik]

U wah two kik inna yu bubble goose bout lame. :)


straight..................:D

[GPRS Internet]

Dont be fooled by the flashy effects and hard to follow action sceens :thumbsdown: this was a Good movie yes :eusa_clap but a bad representation of the old school transformers we grew up on .. some of us that is :icon_roll

Micheal Bay transformed it into Garbage :p he should be molecularized :eusa_ange

[BlackCryptoKnight]

Dont be fooled by the flashy effects and hard to follow action sceens :thumbsdown: this was a Good movie yes :eusa_clap but a bad representation of the old school transformers we grew up on .. some of us that is :icon_roll

Micheal Bay transformed it into Garbage :p he should be molecularized :eusa_ange

You need therapy still. :eusa_shif

I love the way they pulled off the action sequences. Fast, yes, but fluid and totally engrossing. The scene with Starscreem hopping from jet to jet and transforming was tuff!

[GPRS Internet]

this movie is one big General Motors Car show :sold:

[ProdMaster]

Tuff Movie !!! :icon_eek: OPTIMUS PRIME IS DA DON!!! :icon_cool

[Electrotechnic]

You need therapy still. :eusa_shif

I love the way they pulled off the action sequences. Fast, yes, but fluid and totally engrossing. The scene with Starscreem hopping from jet to jet and transforming was tuff!


And the way they ran and transformed and drove and then transformed. I especially loved when Barricade first met Sam and was chasing Bumble bee and transformed. The movie was wicked fun!

[GPRS Internet]

Unnu sound like is the first unnu a watch a movie :thumbsdown:

Yaull never use to watch the cartoon dont it :eusa_whis

[jamerican]

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[Aldayne]

The only thing i liked was the sfx but the movie really wasn't all that that. I am disappointed. Maybe i was expecting too much from it.

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

People are so unfair to Comic Book Movies it ain't funny. Stop expected so much. Those comic books and cartoons are meant for a certain age group. It's only a minority of people that maintain the comics/cartoons they watch through adolescence and into adulthood.
That's the reason why you used to go to the movies to watch Power Rangers movie and thought it was the BOMB BUT would never do that again as u get older.

Imagine the task movie producers have of making a 2 hour movie based of a cartoon which was 20mins long, had 100+ episodes and 5+ variations depending on where in the world u lived. Are u really expecting Transformers X (i.e. 10) to be shown in theatres?

Things persons want
1. Follow story line - ???? What!?!? Which one of the stories!?!
If you want to watch the same old episodes but with new gfx/sfx then go buy the Cartoons DVD Collection or something. Movies have to be made to appeal to it's audience. Transformers is doing a good job based on it's sales.

2. Use same vehicles - Ok, this is an acceptable request BUT this is a sponsorship world. Multi-national car manufacturers need to get back some money for their investments. It not going to help them to have a VW, Peter Belt, US Army, GMC, etc, etc in the movie and money being spread to each. Movie producers do not have unlimited funds and most funds come from sponsorships. They have no choice.

Why would anybody want to port a Cartoon into the Cinema without modifications? A cartoon made at the time to appeal to 16yo and under in the 1980's. They should do this for those of us 20+ who are not the majority of movie goers.

Want a taste of what is happening with Movie industry all over the world - read below...
http://www.backstage.com/bso/news_reviews/film/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002690919
For instance, there is evidence to suggest that the 18-24 age segment lacks more passion for movie-going than any other age group and places less value on factors like screen size. Although they are prone to spending more per person than any other age group once they are in a movie theater, they are the least likely group to buy their movie tickets online ahead of time.

These younger consumers, who often are the early adopters of new technology, "are losing interest in and giving up the chance to become avid moviegoers," the Nielsen analysts observe.

Another group heavily swayed by new technology are the casual moviegoers, attending one to five times annually. The casual fans represent two-thirds of the moviegoing universe and can make the difference between good and bad admission years. Even the heavy moviegoers, attending 10 or more times per year, require incentives to stem their attendance declines in the face of steep ticket and concession price increases, the report states.

Get real - movies are not for fanfare. They are for money. Do like me and don't watch your old favourite action cartoons again. You'll spoil your childhood memories. I watched old episode of Voltron and it was horrid. Voltron was the HARDEST cartoon to me as a youngster. BUT I made the mistake and watched it again and mess up my whole childhood memories.

Thanks Michael Bay for making this show still appealing to me at 27.
Your not welcome for changing Bumblee Bee into a Mustang. That should have been fought to the end AND
Your not welcome for carrying back some of the 1980s script (when they were on the observatory - CORNY!!) AND
Your not welcome for using some horrible music in some parts of the movie.

[Aldayne]

zRo, you sound like you're paying homage to the movie just because of the hard work and investment they put into making it. I rate movies based on what i get from them...ie entertainment. A movie doing well at the box office doesn't necessarily mean that "it must be good" or a "must see movie". That is not a foregone conclusion until i see it for myself. I saw it, i really wasn't amused.

[BlackCryptoKnight]

I have certain expectations for the movies I watch. These expectations differ from movie to movie. With Transformers, it was all about giant killer robots. They delivered and then some. The techie in me was awed at the technical accomplishment of the special effects. The Transformers fan in me was gratified to see familiar characters brought literally to life in live action - something that was but a dream in the mind of kids when the series was running in the 80s. Like zRo said, you have to be open minded about the interpretation given to the characters for the modern age. I think they did a good job with that.

[Aldayne]

The techie in me was awed at the technical accomplishment of the special effects.

Special effects definitely. That's what i loved the most... well ...only.

The Transformers fan in me was gratified to see familiar characters brought literally to life in live action - something that was but a dream in the mind of kids when the series was running in the 80s.

Unfortunately, i guess that "inner child" in me was not appealed to.

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

zRo, you sound like you're paying homage to the movie just because of the hard work and investment they put into making it....
No man - definitely not.
I think Water World was the most expensive movie made during it's time and it made the least amount of money. They did the entire movie in the Ocean and that run them bill WAY UP! They put nuff effort into making it a real SEA movie and failed.

Work doesn't equate to reward.

What I'm saying is that u can't expect the producers to stick to an 20+ y.o. script and hate the movie cause Megatron wasn't a GUN OR that.

There are several parts of it i didn't like - I stated some at the end of previous post. There are other things i didn't like too, like a few corny scenes AND Meagan Fox: not because of her looks :icon_roll but because she sucked at her part. U remember when she saw a transformer for the 1st time - she never even flinch...like is her neighbours dog she was looking at.

I'm surprised people didn't enjoy the movie just for being a movie. It has action, comedy, special effects, a storyline that followed through to the end, an acceptable mix of bad and good actors, fluid CG.

Watch it again - 2nd times a charm.

[GPRS Internet]

Why you think so many people go out to see comic to movies :eusa_wall:eusa_wall for the main reason to see how much it will relate :eusa_wall yes they cannot compact 100episodes with many story lines into one Movie .. but it is easy to take out key elements that remain true to the comic :eusa_wall

This movie for someone that dont know ish about the tranformers comic/cartoon it will be a block buster for them, but for the real fans its garbage .. Spiderman is a far better rendition of a comic, it uses key ellemets we can relate to from the comic...

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Why you think so many people go out to see comic to movies :eusa_wall:eusa_wall for the main reason to see how much it will relate...
How much did this not relate to the cartoon Transformers?

[CyVan]

Why you think so many people go out to see comic to movies :eusa_wall:eusa_wall for the main reason to see how much it will relate :eusa_wall yes they cannot compact 100episodes with many story lines into one Movie .. but it is easy to take out key elements that remain true to the comic :eusa_wall

This movie for someone that dont know ish about the tranformers comic/cartoon it will be a block buster for them, but for the real fans its garbage .. Spiderman is a far better rendition of a comic, it uses key ellemets we can relate to from the comic...

I used to watch Transformers when I was a kid , I also had a couple of them myself.. (all the Constructicons and the Dinobot Grimlock). But I still enjoyed the movie. As Zro said.. there were some aspects I didn't like but overall I enjoyed it.

Instead of us arguing over what the movie was and wasn't. Why don't you tell us how YOU would have done that movie and what would have made it a REAL transformers movie for you. What were you expecting?

Maybe we'll agree with you..

[GPRS Internet]

:icon_cool

I was expecting :eusa_sile:eusa_sile:eusa_sile

I gonna go watch the cartoon and call it a day, will be more entertained :p

[Nestersan]

I just spend last week watching the entie post movie series of animated transformers.

The odd, wtf episode aside, they are from my adult perspective much better written than MOST action movies.

Duty, honour, burden of expectations, madness, guilt, social upheaval and geo-political manipulation etc. There is so much stuff that went over my head as a kid, when I saw them first.

The action was to be honest secondary to the stories, when as a kid it was just cool to see big robots transform and fight.

Spider-man/X-men 1 and 2 were an exceptional movie adaptations because the elements of the characters, scotts duty, logan-scott-jean love triangle, magneto's ambition and seduction skills, peter's bungling broke ***, guilt stricken life, the freedom he feels as spider-man and condensed it into movie length.

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Ok - I haven't watched the Old Transformers in a while. Hopefully during my vacation i can find some time to watch some of those eps on YouTube.

But my question still remains unanswered - in detail, what are the opinions on How much did the movie NOT relate to the cartoon Transformers when it should have?

To start the answering - Bumble Bee should have been a VW Beetle (Bug) - STRAIGHT!! No questions asked. There is no explanation to warrant a Mustang other than Meagan Fox refused to drive in a Beetle cause it not flashy enough OR Sam refused to drive a Beetle cause it's a Gay Car (http://ezinearticles.com/?VW-Beetle;-The-Perfect-Car-for-a-Homosexual-Male&id=44668).

[CyVan]

Ok - I haven't watched the Old Transformers in a while. Hopefully during my vacation i can find some time to watch some of those eps on YouTube.

But my question still remains unanswered - in detail, what are the opinions on How much did the movie NOT relate to the cartoon Transformers when it should have?

To start the answering - Bumble Bee should have been a VW Beetle (Bug) - STRAIGHT!! No questions asked. There is no explanation to warrant a Mustang other than Meagan Fox refused to drive in a Beetle cause it not flashy enough OR Sam refused to drive a Beetle cause it's a Gay Car (http://ezinearticles.com/?VW-Beetle;-The-Perfect-Car-for-a-Homosexual-Male&id=44668).

Or GMC wanted an all or nothing deal else they wouldn't sponsor the movie :P

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Or GMC wanted an all or nothing deal else they wouldn't sponsor the movie :P
If i was the negotiator - I woulda tell GMC to TEK WHEY THEMSELVES THEN!!

There must have been another manufacturer who could have sponsored the same amount of money. The exposure is so great for the vehicle sponsors in this movie. I'm sure sales increase immediately after the release.

[Nestersan]

HA HA HA HA...100% right.

Megatron is known for his fusion cannon...
Starscream is known for plotting...

BTW, we all know megatron cannot transform into a gun and shrink..
BUT...
Prime looks like prime, sorta
Megatron look like the love child of a garbage disposal and a blender.

The Helmet (vader style), the gun, r two elements which would have endeared him to me.

Villians r always cooler anyway.

[Ghionw]

To start the answering - Bumble Bee should have been a VW Beetle (Bug) - STRAIGHT!! No questions asked. There is no explanation to warrant a Mustang other than Meagan Fox refused to drive in a Beetle cause it not flashy enough OR Sam refused to drive a Beetle cause it's a Gay Car (http://ezinearticles.com/?VW-Beetle;-The-Perfect-Car-for-a-Homosexual-Male&id=44668).
Point of clarification. Bumble Bee was a Camaro not a mustang. The mustang was Barricade I believe.

[psilos]

To start the answering - Bumble Bee should have been a VW Beetle (Bug) - STRAIGHT!! No questions asked. There is no explanation to warrant a Mustang other than Meagan Fox refused to drive in a Beetle cause it not flashy enough OR Sam refused to drive a Beetle cause it's a Gay Car (http://ezinearticles.com/?VW-Beetle;-The-Perfect-Car-for-a-Homosexual-Male&id=44668).

You all should really check IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/faq) for all movie questions and answers.

Why is Bumblebee not a VW Beetle?
Several reasons have been given for the change.

One of the reasons is because producers couldn't get rights from VW to use a Beetle. VW didn't want their product being associated with a violent film.

In an interview with Wired Magazine, Michael Bay also stated that he made the change because he wanted the mass of the Transformers in robot form to be believable compared to their vehicle form, and thus a VW would have resulted in Bumblebee being much smaller in robot form.

Another reason is that Bay wanted to avoid comparisons to Herbie the Love Bug, and that he felt that Bumblebee needed an updated look. Thus, Bumblebee was changed from a VW Beetle to a Camaro.

We do briefly see Bumblebee next to an old (1971) VW Beetle early on in the film, however, in a nod to his past.

The script leaves Sam to choose between a VW and a Camaro; of course, he chooses the Camaro, as would most teenagers


So blame it on VW, Michael Bay and youthful exuberance :D

[GPRS Internet]

You all should really check IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/faq) for all movie questions and answers.



So blame it on VW, Michael Bay and youthful exuberance :D

Good link .. now i know why it boomed :sold:

[Bl@ze]

it wasn't even a yellow vw on the lot.........

[CyVan]

it wasn't even a yellow vw on the lot.........

Actually yes it was.. look again... faded yellow

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

You all should really check IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/faq) for all movie questions and answers...
I did read it -
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For those who want to know why they did some things in the movie
Trivia for
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Transformers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/trivia)
And more information on:
Goofs of Transformers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/goofs)
Memorable Quotes of Transformers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/quotes)
BUT never saw that on it at the time - looks like an acceptable explanation.
BUT VW has now cemented themselves as the TRUE GAY CAR MANUFACTURER :eusa_sick

Point of clarification. Bumble Bee was a Camaro not a mustang. The mustang was Barricade I believe.
Thanks - don't know why i keep saying Mustang.
The 2009 Concept look HARDDDD!!!!

HA HA HA HA...100% right.
Megatron is known for his fusion cannon...
Starscream is known for plotting...

BTW, we all know megatron cannot transform into a gun and shrink..
BUT...
Prime looks like prime, sorta
Megatron look like the love child of a garbage disposal and a blender.

The Helmet (vader style), the gun, r two elements which would have endeared him to me.

Villians r always cooler anyway.
Megatron looked meaner in the Movie than with the stupid Vader helmet :icon_roll
http://www.fasthack.com/images/weblog/2006/08/transformers-megatron.jpg

They couldn't change him into a gun cause it wouldn't make sense. Who would hold him? How would he support himself?
http://www.toysnjoys.com/transformers/masterpiecemp-05megatron.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Megatron2.jpg

He was a freaking Walther P-38 - lawd!
He gun looked so menacing in the cartoon but he's just a simply 38mm Gun with a scope
http://multimedia.cx/80s-robots/12-megatron-transformed-s.jpg

Anyway - it's true that on the Villain side, the story weak. They didn't show the story of Starscream or any of the villains. It was just AutoBots and there story. In Part 2 I'm sure you'll see more villains and their stories.

Megatron did have a powerful weapon though...it was just small <frown>
It was like the Noisy Cricket from MIB - lol

[BlackCryptoKnight]

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They couldn't change him into a gun cause it wouldn't make sense. Who would hold him? How would he support himself?

I have been questioning the sense of Megatron's tranformation since I was a kid.

Megatron did form an arm cannon thing in the movie, when he was fighting with Optimus Prime. It didn't look like the original arm cannon, but it worked.

[psilos]

Wait a min, there was an actual toy gun of Megatron, ME WANTS!!!!! I used to question his transformation as well, my other concern was the cannon on his arm, when he transformed did that become the scope for the pistol? If so HUH!? I guess building to scale wasn't important in the 80s :)

[Nestersan]

They couldn't change him into a gun cause it wouldn't make sense. Who would hold him? How would he support himself?lol

You notice I did say and I quote " BTW, we all know megatron cannot transform into a gun and shrink.."

My Gun statement referred to his "See you no more" Cannon than He and Galvatron carry as their weapons.

The Stupid vader helmet is also a treademark look, like the huge windscreen in Prime's chest, and the wheels of the trailer behind his legs, the long barrel gun and elf ears that prime has.

(Both things they had no problems "bringing over")

I would assume like they did with prime, that even a re-invention should carry across the spirit of the source material. Even Stan Lee said in the context of the Spider-man movies, he has no problems with the organic webs

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/stories/2007/jan/optimus.jpg http://backintheday.blogharbor.com/optimus_prime.jpg




http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/images/art/megatron-big.jpg http://graysmatter.codivation.com/content/binary/megatron.jpg

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

You notice I did say and I quote " BTW, we all know megatron cannot transform into a gun and shrink.."

My Gun statement referred to his "See you no more" Cannon than He and Galvatron carry as their weapons.
We not saying anything about your comment Re:The Gun - we just reminiscing on the fact that we never really realised how Megatron transformed into a much smaller pistol (stop use the word gun cause gun sounds much bigger than he really is ;) ).

The Stupid vader helmet is also a treademark look, like the huge windscreen in Prime's chest, and the wheels of the trailer behind his legs, the long barrel gun and elf ears that prime has.

(Both things they had no problems "bringing over")
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True - that's why as a Villain lover - i can understand your gross <spell?> with the movie BUT they kept to the movie storyline in that Megatron didn't need to assimilate anything cause he didn't come to play hide and seek. The man come to shoot up heny and hevry till him find the All Sparks. Is not like the other Decepticons who hiding till Megatron/Starscream give the order.

Another thing - Prime didn't have a Gun in the movie. Basically nobody had a "REAL" gun that i can remember. That stems from the Hasbro toys stipulation - NO REAL GUNS! Inter planetary destructive weapons sure BUT nothing that looks like an AK-47, bazooka, etc. :eusa_wall

[Nestersan]

Another thing - Prime didn't have a Gun in the movie. Basically nobody had a "REAL" gun that i can remember. That stems from the Hasbro toys stipulation - NO REAL GUNS! Inter planetary destructive weapons sure BUT nothing that looks like an AK-47, bazooka, etc. :eusa_wall

REAL gun ?

Nothing short of laser/PPC/Rail weapons can damage them bastards...which would be in realm of SCI/FI.

We not saying anything about your comment Re:The Gun - we just reminiscing on the fact that we never really realised how Megatron transformed into a much smaller pistol (stop use the word gun cause gun sounds much bigger than he really is

Yeah, I did..totally impossible lol.. The only Real Guns in transformers are Shockwave and Galvatron.

[Skillachi]

Another error was devastator.

They had both devastator and bonecrusher in the movie.... Which is not possible becuz devastator is made from bonecrusher and the other 5 constructicons merge together. Also devastator doesnt have (not sure about this part) a vehicle mode, he only has a standing mode.

The movie itself was good. I would say its a money well spent, i dont see wat all the complaining is about.



Megatron did do a wicked blast using his own hands merged together so it was a semi-gun mode. I guess that qualified as his gun mode for the fanboys.

[Bl@ze]

Another error was devastator.

They had both devastator and bonecrusher in the movie.... Which is not possible becuz devastator is made from bonecrusher and the other 5 constructicons merge together. Also devastator doesnt have (not sure about this part) a vehicle mode, he only has a standing mode.

yup
http://features-temp.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/202205/202205_1184957001_large.jpg

[JUGGERNAUT]

I think you guys reading too much into this thing...as I have come to realise with the completion of the Last X-Men...it dont always follow the comic or cartoon

[desolate666]

i most certainly agree that i have learnt a hell of a lot about transformers from this thread and that you people are deep when comes to research on the topic unfortunately my source is the cartoon from primary school days and the net but seriously yea the movie didn't stay true to the characters of the toon but nothin today being converted to a movie really does unless its an original concept.so just lets agree to disagree that ok yes the movie was damn okay/good but the cartoon will alway forever be better in our hearts where it can never be tainted with substitution of parts eg claws instead of the big *** gun.with that said go watch the movie and take it for it is a movie about huge robot {good vs evil with earth as the battle field} Now that the hour is neigh am trying to get some funds plus alone time and go read Harry Potter 7

[kute2t]

transformers more than sell off!! i really enjoyed it,want watch it again:)

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Transformers - Sold out by 4pm on Wednesday (Carib)
Sold out by 7pm on Thursday (Carib)

MAD THING

[RZA]

i watched transformers on monday and trust mi yo the movie tuff like stone, sell off and we need a crazy reorder

[JUGGERNAUT]

Transformers now at number four in the highest grossing movie (http://movies.go.com/boxoffice?cat=2007) for the year

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

#33 All Time (http://movies.go.com/boxoffice?cat=alltime)

Three (3) weeks time - Spider Man 3 dead to Transformers....who wants to bet?

[JUGGERNAUT]

let me see if I understand you...you are saying that in three weeks Transformers gonna jump to #15 from #33 passing Star Wars, Pirates and Shrek the Third.

I Take that bet!!!

[Electrotechnic]

Hold...ET still at number 4???? LOL!!! You talking bout Transformers? Harry Potter just open 1 week now and look how far it reach???? I smashed the one day pre-release opening recording....beating out Matrix and LOTR-3. That will pass them all. And I caan believe Shrek the 3rd made so much money?

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

let me see if I understand you...you are saying that in three weeks Transformers gonna jump to #15 from #33 passing Star Wars, Pirates and Shrek the Third.

I Take that bet!!!
Look at the Margin between two positions - it's not very big (relatively)
#33 $279,261,160 & #32 $270,721,514 = $8,539,646
Hold...ET still at number 4???? LOL!!! You talking bout Transformers? Harry Potter just open 1 week now and look how far it reach???? I smashed the one day pre-release opening recording....beating out Matrix and LOTR-3. That will pass them all. And I caan believe Shrek the 3rd made so much money?
ET was re-released - that's why it's so far up.
They used to have an Asterisks besides the movies that were re-released but it look like that remove it :eusa_eh: - don't know why :eusa_thin

[JUGGERNAUT]

Look at the Margin between two positions - it's not very big (relatively)
#33 $279,261,160 & #32 $270,721,514 = $8,539,646

thats between #32 and #32 going up to #15 gonna take $60+ mill. 3 weeks...I doubt it

[rickydaboss]

hear mi aseh mi jus waan seh dat TRANSFORMERS SELLLLL AWWWWFFFFF...di movie haaaaaad usee

[JUGGERNAUT]

Spider man still King...check the site (http://movies.go.com/boxoffice?cat=2007)

Zero...sen onn

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Spider man still King...check the site (http://movies.go.com/boxoffice?cat=2007)

Zero...sen onn
They haven't updated the numbers since we made the last post - check the date :eusa_naug

[JUGGERNAUT]

Not Adjusted (http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/international/records.php) and Adjusted (http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm?adjust_yr=1910&p=.htm). Pick ur choice...spider man still rules

[zRo ToLeRaNcE]

Not Adjusted (http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/international/records.php) and Adjusted (http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm?adjust_yr=1910&p=.htm). Pick ur choice...spider man still rules

These not updated to the current date.