ATI vs Nvidia - which one is the fastest ;D?

[seanbee20]

Well, well, well after countless google searches looking for a recent comparison of the two giants of the video card market head to head, i found the follwing site and guess what nvidia aint winning ;D. see for yourselves.

http://www.ocaddiction.com/articles/video/fx_5900ultra_vs_radeon_9800pro/

i am playing messiah on this forum today, trying to let your nvidia follows come to the light, come to the light my forum mates, come and see the light


feel free to counter which other benchmarks with may be floating around on the net, but plz ensure that the info is current. Lookign forward to it

[Skillachi]

Hm... well seanbee every website has different benchmarks. But Toms hardware a website that alot of techies i know really trust to give good specs. rates nvidia over ati in many different times. even the 4600ti is beating out the 9800 pro in some areas.
SO it depends on who u want to listen to

[deakie]

like everything, each peice of hardware and software has its speacilist moments. sometimes its games, sometimes its 3d, sometimes its film.....would be nice if they did have the strength of all 3 eh.

[matronyx]

I went to your site seanbee and the review seemed a little biased towards the ATI card, not what I would expect from a true tech site. I also did a search for other 9800 Pro vs 5900 Ultra nd the great majority of the sites had both cards equal or the Ultra in front... hmmmm, you must have searched HARD to find your reference site ::)

I wanna see what the scores will be like with the latest Nvidia drivers, then we can talk about up2date tests.

[seanbee20]

well matronyx, if what you see is true, then where are the links, in my post i stated anyone wanting to counter post their linkx, but just make sure that it is current, NVidia i know initially was winning, but of recent ATI has taken the lead, after definately fro directx 9 games, nvidia is performing very poorly, even John Carmack, creator of DOOM, said that he is very disappointed in NVIDIA with regards to directx 9 games in particular DOOM 3, i will post that interview shortly, going to do some work now.

[matronyx]

well matronyx, if what you see is true, then where are the links, in my post i stated anyone wanting to counter post their linkx, but just make sure that it is current, NVidia i know initially was winning, but of recent ATI has taken the lead, after definately fro directx 9 games, nvidia is performing very poorly, even John Carmack, creator of DOOM, said that he is very disappointed in NVIDIA with regards to directx 9 games in particular DOOM 3, i will post that interview shortly, going to do some work now.


"Although, the coming out of Valve's Half Life 2 struggle with the GeForce FX line of products, certainly was a splash in a major league sort of way, one game engine is hardly a basis for trashing an entire product line"

Sorry about not posting the links dude... ;D

Here are some results..
http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/aquamark3_gffx5900u_r9800pro(2).shtml
http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=431

All in all... have you ever used a card created by nvidia? Do you remember the Geforce2 or 3 days? ATI was trying to play catchup and right now, I must admit...they have caught up and even taken the lead for a good while. My past experiences with ATI though has left me bitter towards em... "once bitten, kill the dog ;D".

I know that right now NVidia is seeing alotta things not go their way, but it isn't as if they are in the same predicament ATI was in 3 yrs ago. NVidia still up deh...and bound to make a strong comeback.

[seanbee20]

yes matronyx i remember those days, and yes i have used a created by nvidia card, my secondary pc has in one, it is the same old days you are referring which makes me love ATI so much, they never gave up despite being trashed by NVIDIA and now they are reaping their benefits, just the fact that ATI can be winning in some benchmarks and the fact that we are having this conversation is testimony to ATI's glory, can i get a amen

[matronyx]

yes matronyx i remember those days, and yes i have used a created by nvidia card, my secondary pc has in one, it is the same old days you are referring which makes me love ATI so much, they never gave up despite being trashed by NVIDIA and now they are reaping their benefits, just the fact that ATI can be winning in some benchmarks and the fact that we are having this conversation is testimony to ATI's glory, can i get a amen


amen.

Did you remember the scandal with the Quake3 drivers?

[seanbee20]

do u remember the scandal with the 3dmark03 benchmarking software about nvidia cheating in benchmarks

[matronyx]

do u remember the scandal with the 3dmark03 benchmarking software about nvidia cheating in benchmarks


Oh...are you refering to this link ?? ::)
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1105259,00.asp


In our original story down below, we presented extensive test data that showed how both ATI and nVidia were losing some performance in the newest 3.30 version of 3DMark03, which has implemented countermeasures to defeat app detection by 3D GPU drivers. Due to a variation in our test methodology, the drop seen in our initial tests for ATI appears to be have been unduly affected by the location where render state settings are made (in the application versus in the driver).

Our original test results misstated ATI's performance drop with 3DMark03 version 3.30, and we'll provide correct, updated results that set ATI in a much better light, with far less performance hit moving to version 3.30. However, ATI still detected 3DMark03 within their driver, and substituted a "better optimized" shader, and that is still benchmark cheating in our book, even if the overall performance boost was modest....

[seanbee20]

LOL

[kc4u]

Even though ATI and nVidia are constantly trying to outdo each other with the most powerful and fastest card, most of us do not care if whether we get 370 FPS or 320 FPS on Quake III. Most video card buyers are looking for a low-to-mid range card that can “do it all” for them, meaning that although it is not the fastest gun in the west, it is capable of running any current game provided that is accompanied by a decent processor and enough memory.

Given that, some of us also are speed demons that demand that extra 3.4 FPS on Quake III, and if you are, go buy yourself the Radeon 9800 Pro with all the fixings. Enough said.

That is because I think ATI's driver situation is better right now, and I am actively monitoring the benchmarks for each. I believe that the average gamer would like to buy a Radeon card as a high-end card.

[deakie]

these guys have done a mod on the detonator series of drivers for nvidia.
check it out....they concentrate more on image quality than speed but with purpose....ati is mentioned too. :D :P

http://www.omegacorner.com/

[Gillion]

I have never seen an NVIDIA card or graphics framework in a MACINTOSH machine. The new eMacs and iBook/PowerBooks and the G5 come with ATI. Now I know for a fact that graphics on a MAC is superior to a PC, (because I work with them regularly) and I must say that the ATI framework is the most excelent I have seen in a long time. Now wether or not the benifits have filtered over to PC land is a matter for more discourse, but it would be reasonable to assume that ATI has got some seious tricks up their sleeve... moreso that the guys at Apple are using their technology religiously.
NVIDIA on the other hand can produce some kick *** hardware(GPU& NForce). My low end video card plays my linux games quite nicely (I built the agp module directly into kernel) without a hitch... and DVD playback is a dream. Now if the low end card has me feeling pleased I can only imagine what the FX can do.
BUT I am an old schooler influenced by the superior hardware of the MAC and I would have to say I would bet on ATI all the time as the better card all around. For some reason raw FPS has never impressed me. I am the type of lunatic thats into CYMK vs RGB debates or ICCM profiles, sometimes natural colour adjusting, gama, refresh rates, noise and AGP loading.... etc but thats just me. I mean how natural can a flower in a misty meadow look ?

Please note however, the vas majority of the times that I have seen ATI cards in action I have always seen them working on Viewsonic, Princeton or Sony monitors... not the el cheapo stuff that we have for regular consumption, and usually MACS come with muy expensisvo Monitors or CRT tubes made by Sony. People who buy ATI card usually have rumblling monitors... not the crabgrass stuff that Nvidia people like myself would most likely buy.

Hmmm my 0.5 pesos.

--regards
Gillion