Propel Accelerator for a more Efficient 56 K

[linval]

Any of you guys seen these claims made by this program, it could be the boost that dialup needs.

http://www.propel.com

this is there URL check it out they say it sppeds up dialup by up to 5 times, by using some sort of compression coupled with a smart caching system.

Only one draw back you heve to subscribe monthly to use it.

[deakie]

its very similar to this one going on right now in this thread.....
http://www.techjamaica.com/tech_forum/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=1653;sta rt=0

[kc4u]

Any of you guys seen these claims made by this program, it could be the boost that dialup needs.

http://www.propel.com

this is there URL check it out they say it sppeds up dialup by up to 5 times, by using some sort of compression coupled with a smart caching system.

Only one draw back you heve to subscribe monthly to use it.


just another way to get unaware (amatuer) pc users to waste money. dialup users stick to 56K v.92. or take that extra money and spend on ADSL or wireless DSL. Nad chk out the thread that deakie posted for more pros and cons on this subject......and trust me it has more cons. 8)

[igodit]

PEOPLE, you can't get any faster that 56k on a dial-up modem. If you can find any service that can allow for that not possible task please I'll be the first one to sign up.

[linval]

Nobody here said you would be getting more than 56 Kb,
just reducing the batle neck by comprein the grapics nd soe other files, plus caching some you already have dowonloaded.

everyone knows as time goes by there are newer better ways of compressing files even you igodit,
as stated in Ropy's thread it doesn't impact gamers nor mp3 sharers in any big way.

It just makes more convenient, and a better browsing experience, over 56 KB

Fact. You can only get ADSL if you are within a 3 miles radius of the Exchange.

Fact. If cable and worthless doesn't condition your lines to accept ADSL you do not qualify for the service.

Fact. In jamaica we are paying 4 times what is being charged internationally or ADSL

Fact. Our minimum wage is US$30.00

Fact. our peaple needs alternatives.

Fact. A great percentage of peaple only use the internet for browsing, checking mails, and researching, NOT DOWNLOADING

[linval]

Opera Webrowser is also good at caching, I've seen alot of defference intrms of browsing speed.

[igodit]

Want a an alternative, setup up your own proxy server, or increase your cache. AND he did say speed up your dial-up, which would suggest you can go faster.

Anyway no matter how you chose to put it, you are not going to experience an quickening on the Internet. The reason is that There will always be that 56k between you and the proxy unless the proxy is on your LAN, which would then mean you are on a faster network connection to the Proxy 10/100.


[Your computer]----10/100-----[PROXY]---[56kmodem]

This is the only way the proxy would be effective to you. What is being offered to you is this

[Your Computer]-------56k------[PROXY]-----[INTERNET]

That is in not way effecient for you, compress all you want... still 56k.

[linval]

I did say I have ADSL!!! and a proxy server,

that doesn't negate the fact that better compression means smaller fils o download, hence greater effeciency, and results in faster browsing.

[igodit]

No longer talking about ADSL users now, talking specifically about dial-up users. ADSL user have nothing to complain about with speed and page loading especially when you have a proxy server between you and the net.

Why do you think it supposedly "gets faster" after visitng the site over and over. Why not on the first visit?

[igodit]

High-Speed Dial-Up: Does It Work?
By John R. Delaney
June 17, 2003

We signed up with two of the largest ISPs currently offering these so-called "premium" dial-up services: EarthLink Plus ($28.95 per month) and NetZero HiSpeed ($14.95 per month).


First and foremost, let us point out that neither service actually speeds up your 56K connection, nor do they speed up music, streaming video, or executable file downloads. Instead, they use a combination of caching and compression technologies to speed the delivery of typical Web pages to your PC.

EarthLink Plus uses a solution engineered by Propel Software Corp. to compress certain page elements, such as text and graphics, shrinking the data sets so they arrive at your location faster. NetZero HiSpeed is based on SlipStream Data's solution, which also compresses certain page elements.

Both services let you choose varying levels of optimization, which affects the quality of the graphics on a page. If you choose the highest speed (and hence the greatest compression), the image quality is downright poor. On PCMag .com, for example, the photo accompanying John C. Dvorak's column became a featureless blob. But you can right-click on an image to restore it to its original resolution—after the requisite dial-up delay, of course.

News Source - PCMAG.com (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1090228,00.asp)

[linval]

If you are paking of the proram in quetion hat would be because of the cache, As I also posted Opera does very good with that.

how ever let me ask you a question ince you are unable to se what he matter is about.

1. do you think in the future by changing the formats and protocals by which Data is transmitted ovr the internet that A 56k modem will be able to download and browse at high speeds?

2. if you have 5 computers on a network downloading a a image from a website, and this image is 200 kb, you are downloading 1MB, now if this image is presorted thruogh a service provider comprees it to 25% of it's previous size and you decompress it on arival.
would that give you a 25% increase in your inernet speed without changing the speed f you modem?

[linval]

High-Speed Dial-Up: Does It Work?
By John R. Delaney
June 17, 2003

We signed up with two of the largest ISPs currently offering these so-called "premium" dial-up services: EarthLink Plus ($28.95 per month) and NetZero HiSpeed ($14.95 per month).


First and foremost, let us point out that neither service actually speeds up your 56K connection, nor do they speed up music, streaming video, or executable file downloads. Instead, they use a combination of caching and compression technologies to speed the delivery of typical Web pages to your PC.

EarthLink Plus uses a solution engineered by Propel Software Corp. to compress certain page elements, such as text and graphics, shrinking the data sets so they arrive at your location faster. NetZero HiSpeed is based on SlipStream Data's solution, which also compresses certain page elements.

Both services let you choose varying levels of optimization, which affects the quality of the graphics on a page. If you choose the highest speed (and hence the greatest compression), the image quality is downright poor. On PCMag .com, for example, the photo accompanying John C. Dvorak's column became a featureless blob. But you can right-click on an image to restore it to its original resolution—after the requisite dial-up delay, of course.

News Source - PCMAG.com




Please note, This man is an Idiot...........These services have no claim to speed up donloading, video streaming, nor anything of the sort.

However they do claim to spped up browsing by using both caching and compresion technology which he admits, works for that purpose.


so what is the point...........he expected dsl for 14.95? ;D

[igodit]

1. do you think in the future by changing the formats and protocals by which Data is transmitted ovr the internet that A 56k modem will be able to download and browse at high speeds?

2. if you have 5 computers on a network downloading a a image from a website, and this image is 200 kb, you are downloading 1MB, now if this image is presorted thruogh a service provider comprees it to 25% of it's previous size and you decompress it on arival.
would that give you a 25% increase in your inernet speed without changing the speed f you modem?




Hmmm... let me scratch the noodle a bit here. The answer to your first question is YES. Remember the technology behind the modem was going from lower speed a far as I can remember I started out with a 14.4k modem. Why are we going faster that a 56k on dial-up, better technology, Frame-relay, ISDN, DSL and on and on...

For your second question, if you understand how a proxy server work. Note this all depends on how the network is setup, if there is no proxy server then yse you are doing loading 1MB, if there is a proxy server then the first puter to call the file through the server will get the image then the other puters will make the same request for the same image. Instead of going back for the image it will say weel I got the file here in cache, have it....phew!

The speed never changes just the browsing experience, picture it this way. What is the highest speed you can get on a 10/100MB network 100MB, same with the 56k modem. So it's not really a matter of speed...

[linval]

Every body knows when you compres a ile you willl loose quality, there is a trade off and the trade is based on your prefference at the time, now when using opera Webbrower I sometimes remave all images from webpages I am browsing coupled with my ADSL service these paes move as if they are already on my computer, now if I want to see a image I can choose to and wait the time it takes to carry that image up.

similarly when ou change an image format to send over the web to Jpeg or Jiff you don't expect someone to complain that when they print it on there photo printer it comes out blurry. only someone who truly doesn't know the information or an showoff who claims to knw too much.

[linval]

The speed never changes just the browsing experience, picture it this way. What is the highest speed you can get on a 10/100MB network 100MB, same with the 56k modem. So it's not really a matter of speed...


Sorry about that speed thing I dont mean speed as in higher than 56 k,..........I mean speed as in fast. for the browsing or other experience that may be affected by compresing the files

[igodit]

Well we got that cleared up.

Though I still wouldn't recommend such a service to anyone, for the lack of significant improvement. BUT if you still have the need to try something then be my guest.

Suggestion, increase the cache limit on your web browser (Internet Explorer, Netscape...etc) and get a free compression software, can't think of them now but they exist.

[linval]

Thats the whole thing the compression oftwres seem to work from 2 ends, thats why there i a subscription, baialy what you get is a decompresion end, and they have a server that do he compresing.

I think there is room for improvment and or increasing the range of fil ypes that are comresed.

but I think the technoloy should be getting there, and then aain it' a convenience for peaple in remote locations at low cost.

[kc4u]

Well even if it will become a convenience to people in remote areas at a low cost, That may be true so why subscribed to Propel or Slipstream and other services when you can use freeware everyday - why pay? Since the percentage of browsing is still not so significantly improved.

http://radsoft.net/gallery/cip/CIP500.exe

CIP manages your hosts file. A hosts file is used by your browser to resolve IPs for the URLs you attempt to access. Normally a browser will have to go through DNS to find the IP number for a web resource, and this takes time. By putting your URLs and IPs in your hosts file, you speed up your browser, make better use of your online time, and get where you're going a lot faster. CIP is alone in being able to collect secondary URLs right off your web pages. Secondary or embedded URLs amount to many times the DNS time spent on simply accessing the web pages themselves.

Hey I hope this saves us some dollars ;D :D